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ThePakPolitics A leading World Political Forum- ThePakPolitics.com International Politics Forum in PK Politics, Pakistan 2015-04-26T16:35:33+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/feed.php?f=7 2015-04-26T16:35:33+03:00 2015-04-26T16:35:33+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=2344&p=9903#p9903 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Re: A Better Childhood]]>
I am not in favour at all of giving Reham Khan ANY role within PTI. It will be a disastrous mistake on part of PTI to surgically graft her on PTI's 19 year struggle. There is something genetically wrong with us as a nation; we love brown-nosing to the extreme - we do everything possible to prove our loyalty to people and families instead of the good or evil they do. The exact word I am looking for is 'khushaamdi'; we are a nation of highly khushaamdi people who need to have a bit more spine and dignity and stop falling in love with leaders and their family.

We need to have a bit more self-respect and stop trying to keep up appearance. We tend to confuse respect with reverence and there lies the problem.

Imran Khan MUST at all cost keep Reham out of politics; a bit like Margaret Thatcher's husband Dennis Thatcher who most people did not know existed or not. I do not find Reham's highly westernised past problematic as long as she does not try to gloss over it with the lacquer of piety and religiosity. She is the person she is and her past is her own business as is her present and future.

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2015-04-26T16:25:17+03:00 2015-04-26T16:25:17+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=2344&p=9902#p9902 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Re: A Better Childhood]]>
You write:

"Read that again for Maryam Nawaz's appointment and all faces will look evil. "

A perfectly reasonable point made but there is a very important difference; Maryam was appointed to run a VERY large publically funded scheme for which she had no qualifications. Yes Reham has no qualifications to be an ambassador for street children but she does not have a budget and is at best an attention drawer to the cause. Maryam could only be sacked by her father who had appointed her; this is plainly vulgar nepotism. IK NEVER asked for Reham's appointment; KPK Govt may have tried to ingratiate themselves in the eyes of IK by appointing her but my feeling is that IK is not cut that way; he does not get ingratiated.

Nawaz Sharif may as well be drawing no salary but his and his family's living and travelling expenses are paid by the state. I suggest you file a freedom of information request to find out what NS and his family is costing Pakistan where there is tax even on the sweets children buy!

Yes, not getting paid or being highly religious or talking the talk means nothing; if you deliver competently, that is all that matters. I do not wish to know who is related to whom and what their ancestors did and about how many holy men and women preceded them; I just want a slightly more tolerable life for my compatriots.

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2015-04-19T22:29:00+03:00 2015-04-19T22:29:00+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=2344&p=9884#p9884 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Re: A Better Childhood]]>
Angelina Jolie had made her place in the world of acting…..yes that is right……IN THE WORLD.

And come to think of it her being named something by the UN is a great attempt by the UN to capitalize on the Marketing Potential of Jolie……….but she don't do much anyway herself.

In this case here that we are talking about.well you know the rest of the story.

I have great faith in the wisdom of those that work in the streets of Peshawar and who discuss matters in the Hujras of the villages…………their verdict is not in favour of Mrs Reham Khan from any angle.
She might be popular amongst the WESTOXICATED in Karachi , Lahore or Islamabad but in the heartland she stands no chance regardless of the claims made by those in the PTI or by herself.
I do not blame her for trying to develop a political career for herself but to keep saying that she is not doing so is DISINGENUOUS.

Also I think MQM will win 246 in Karachi but that is no rocket science since Imran failed to make a deal with with JI.
I will give him the GREAT GAMBLER award for doing that. Since if he does win by himself…then he can ditch the JI. Unlikely to happen.

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2015-04-19T18:55:41+03:00 2015-04-19T18:55:41+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=2344&p=9882#p9882 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Re: A Better Childhood]]>
I don't think that Angelina Julie did that by riding on someone's shoulders. I don't know if RK's life before this marriage has anything of that sort.

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2015-04-19T18:42:35+03:00 2015-04-19T18:42:35+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=2344&p=9881#p9881 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Re: A Better Childhood]]>
Read that again for Maryam Nawaz's appointment and all faces will look evil. I read somewhere that salary of NS is 0 if that is correct he must be a really nice person to sacrifice his salary to serve the country for free.

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2015-04-19T14:10:47+03:00 2015-04-19T14:10:47+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=2344&p=9879#p9879 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Re: A Better Childhood]]>
ZERO SUM GAME !

The reason why rich people , not so rich people are able to use children as labour is simple……….the parents who are the PRODUCTION Factory are unable to provide for their food, their education etc.

So someone else does that.

That someone else maybe good human beings who take a child, teach them various things like cooking or driving or being a mechanic or an electrician or a plumber by making them a HELPER.
The Mullah might make them into a CLONE of themselves and some might make them into a suicide bomber.
The Religious political parties might " EDUCATE" them in their Saudi -Financed Madrassahs.

But all of that takes place because the parents cannot take care of the kids that they produce. Or they do not want to since they believe that God has CREATED him or her and God is supposed to provide for him or her. If you have any questions……..KEEP in MIND the parents are the ones who REFUSE to immunize against POLIO…..resulting in paralysis of the their kids! And of course the Mullah says that the Polio drops are being pushed for by the USA and the JEWS to reduce the fertility of the Muslims of Pakistan….in other words a biological castration…………….WELL ? Maybe Mrs. Reham Khan ought to EDUCATE the people about THAT. And we still remember her very well publicized effort for FUNDS for the IDPs of FATA. Whatever happened to that and how much money has been collected and given ?

As to why that is….is very simple. The rich and powerful have a monopoly of resources and the poor do not have access to that.

So saying that one is going to suddenly appear on the horizon and solve this problem by CONDEMNING it is NUTS……..Impossible………..which brings to mind as to why this move advertised in the news media by what you describe as CELEBRITY-( for he wrong reasons)-

A friend of mine ran a mechanics shop for 25 years and had lots of kids working for him. He took in kids whose parents brought them to him so he would teach them how to be a mechanic. Of course he did not pay them what he paid a full mechanic…but in 25 years he MADE a lot of mechanics who run their own shops now. He was taken to task and brought to court in Peshawar for Child labour. In front of the judge he said……." YOU want me to throw them out on the street so that they have nothing to do since YOU are not providing for their education and their food…and you are doing it just so that the West is complaining" end of quote.

Idealism is a great thought but talking in thin air on the BOOB TUBE-(TV)- is just hot air. Reham Khan and her supposed selection as ambassador for these kids ……of all places in KPK…….now why does that STINK.

It stinks because in KPK her husband's party rules and those guys are singing HIS MASTER'S VOICE……like Khattak went and spend all his time at the Dharna while he was supposed to be working at his job for which he is getting paid.
This is not me talking but the views of the people in the villages and the street in KPK.

I had wanted to relate the comments made by the common people of KPK about the 2nd Mrs. Khan but I simply cannot as the language used was rather severe.

I ran into an ANP guy in Charsada and he said and I quote…..the best political gift that PTI could have given us Imran's marriage to the TV Anchor.the more she comes out in the news media the better for us.

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2015-04-19T11:58:57+03:00 2015-04-19T11:58:57+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=2344&p=9878#p9878 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Re: A Better Childhood]]>
You are at your best when you exercise "Vitriol and venom combined with BLACKEST of BILE..." Thank you for you comments and here goes my response.

I acknowledged in my piece that there was a population problem we had by writing 'Also, rapid population growth has increased the supply of children vastly and consequently child labour has never been cheaper...' So as to the causes of the problem I am with you as far as over supply is only one of the problem we have. There is another more sinister problem we have; it is our attitude towards labour and paying a labourer. We always to extract most work from people without paying them the least and preferably nothing. Children are particularly prone in this environment because they do not have the life experience yet to so NO and argue their point from a position of weakness (if this is ever possible!). With apologies to everyone; a lot of people are just plain lazy, they exploit a child to save themselves of housework; this would not be a problem if they were paying an adult living wages to do the job but they DON'T do they?

You didn't mince your words as to the causes of over population and you were right to do so. Yesterday I had a rare opportunity to watch some TV and I watch a programme on ARY called 'Aam Aadmi' which looked at the live of a family earning Rs 10 000 per month. They paid Rs 4000 as rent and I believe Rs 1000 for school fee of two of their children but here is the problem, they had four children. Sadly two of the younger one suffered from an unspecific condition which required regular transfusion of blood and by now you get the idea. It does not take rocket science or even an education to understand the age old notion of 'do not spread your feet beyond you sheet' but thanks to our Mullah industry we continue to procreate like there is no tomorrow. You amongst all people have seen first hand the deprivation and suffering in KPK. Like you, I have have seen sifting through rubbish not too far from the hideous Centauraus Towers in Islamabad.

I agree with you that Reham has no experience or history of helping street children; she has landed an honorary position as Ambassador of Street children and there I see a possibility of some good coming out merely because of her high profile. Angelina Jolie has acted in some very interesting films but that has not stopped her from doing some great work as a UN Ambassador. I have no interest in Reham's past or personal life; all I care about is the work she is going to do for street children. I did not suggest that she understands the plight of these children first hand but merely that lets give her a chance to prove herself.

If Reham is given a political role within PTI, I will be the first one to write against it; so far she has resisted this urge. Of course she may choose to support IK's political work by attending events but that is not a problem. She must never be elevated just because of who she is married to.

I will be back with more later.

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How can anyone who has never been burnt know the pain of someone who is burned ?

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2015-04-19T02:53:19+03:00 2015-04-19T02:53:19+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=2344&p=9876#p9876 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Re: A Better Childhood]]>
You have missed the point.

Reham Khan knows nothing and since the objective reality seemed to have passed you by in spite of my BULL DOZING TECHNIQUE, I shall re-State it once again.

The problem of OVER PRODUCTION of Human Beings has led to and is leading to the problem of modern slavery in the South Asian land mass. You are wrong about what the West wants….they of course want YOUR cheap labour just like the capitalists in Pakistan. The lip service towards ending Child Labour is just that….LIP SERVICE with a Lot of LIP STICK!
If the leaders of the country want to spend their money on Jangal Buses and lining their own pockets, then child labour will be there no matter what anyone does or says on television.

The one great quality of Imran Khan is CREDIBILITY….in other words he is GENUINE. That is not the case with his second wife. So patching her up with anything makes that THING turn to shit. That is what I learned in KPK's streets in the last 4 weeks. It seems to me that you guys have swallowed HOOK , LINE and SINKER the attempt to RE-make the Disco-Dancer into something she is not and cannot be.
62 year old Imran Khan has to right to marry who so ever he wants but he would be well advised to refrain from doing this sort of Re-Inventing by patching spurious Do-gooder qualifications of questionable merit.

The best advice I can give to PTI is REMOVE Reham Khan from the public domain. After all what is her qualifications………..sharing the great leader's life in Bani Gala.

Get real and smell the coffee. Fix the problem………….don't just sing a song for 2 minutes.

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2015-04-19T01:02:05+03:00 2015-04-19T01:02:05+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=2344&p=9875#p9875 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Re: A Better Childhood]]>
As regards the last-named, KPK recently legislated on the matter. Not for the first time either, though the PTI bill is probably better than what preceded it. Now all that remains to be done is implementation, which will prove no easy task. Now then, let's see what Reham Khan can contribute here. Although, truth to tell, this is more an administrative matter than a one-person show.

Last but not least, our growing population was a need of the times. It was required, so runs the argument, to ensure the safety of the country. Our neighbouring Iran did the opposite. Cut down on population growth, earned kudos from West sources like the UN, etc. and then the Iranians finally had to admit that they'd made a mistake there. Now we have Mr Modi in India beggling "Hindu" families to increase the number of children per family in order to ensure that a "Hindu" majority continues to exist in India, which is far from sure. And not to forget the Chinese have now done away with their one-child only law. Let's see how their population explodes in size and strength in the years to come.

So, all in all, we have here SN's longing for a better world in which children, all of them, would be given a fair deal, your own bitter lucidity about the consequences of overpopulation and my own political approach to the problem. Can we combine the three ways of looking at the fate of the underprivileged child? Let's hope so. And let's hope as well that Reham Khan will be able to make a difference to the street children of KPK. Not so much for her sake but for the sake of the children whose lives might take a turn for the better thanks to her efforts.

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2015-04-18T21:13:22+03:00 2015-04-18T21:13:22+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=2344&p=9874#p9874 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Re: A Better Childhood]]>
it is the first Saturday after the long flight from KPK and I was hoping that I would get a respite from my depression , disappointments and my anger towards all the pretenders in the political arena in Pakistan. but your piece deprived me of that.
Vitriol and venom combined with BLACKEST of BILE is the GUSHER that has exploded in my tormented soul.

I shall start with a quote from your favorite Mrs. Imran Khan.

“ “I don't need luck I need everyone to condemn child labour & to support the cause.” end of quote.

Mirabeau-( French Revolution) said.......MEN-( for that matter WOMEN)- do not matter.....it is always the MAN-( WOMAN) that matters. So here the woman who has uttered the above must have some credibility and some capability………….my answer to those 2 questions is….ZILCH.

The statement made and quoted by you is prime reflection of an ignorant, pseudo- DO-GOODER in search of CHEAP publicity as an addiction.

Anyone who wishes to comment on Child Labour MUST know what they are talking about. They should have lived and walked the dark streets of the big cities of Pakistan’s urban and rural areas.
A former DISCO Dancer / GOLD DIGGER from UK covered up by barrels of make-up living on the hills of Bani Gala knows ZIP about the problem.
So on the scale of CREDIBILITY, this attempt is DEAD before it starts.

What is the problem of Child Labour ? For the last 10 years I have worked on this problem if you call it a problem in the first place which is FALSE.
The problem is OVER POPULATION where men and women are indulging in UN-CONTROLLED SEX without any regard as to what that activity produces.........KIDS. And all these men and women claim that GOD’s will is involved in producing all these kids........they are pronged on by the religious Mafia that they should continue the pleasure providing process to do God’s work.......produce more Muslims.
Now instead of taking the BREEDING BULL by the HORNS-( not her’s)- by talking about rampant RE-PRODUCTION-( which would alienate the Mullahs)- this individual has decided to talk about the WESTERN Mantra of Child Labour.

So why are the Kids working in bad places or for that matter good places? They are doing it to make a LIVING...to Eat, to have some sort of clothes, to help feed their parents and siblings.
The State has failed, the parents have failed, the community has failed, the religion has failed, the Mullahs have failed in providing YOUR Idealistic Childhood of DREAMS.
That only exists in the imagination of Soul-less CITY SLICKERS who live in the make-believe world of Islamabad with their eyes closed and their HEARTS covered by GRANITE. They cannot see the young boys and girls searching through Garbage DUMPS in thousands trying to find itsy bitsy things that they might sell so that their parents and siblings can eat.

Miss. Upity lives too far from those kids surrounded by high walls of security and so does the rest of Islamabad consisting of the powerful and those that want to join them.

Child labour exists because there are too many kids that need to eat and live.
Child labour exists because the kids do not have schools to go to and their parents who have created them never though that Kids need to eat, have clothes etc.
The man or woman who employes these children actually is doing a service which the parents and the state and the DO-GOODERS do not. They TRAIN these kids in professions so they can go and get a job. They train them in becoming a mechanic or a Mistry or a carpet weaver or some such thing.
Of course they pay them very little-( rules of capitalistic business) other than food or they pay their parents who can be accused of providing SLAVE Labour.

If anyone is SERIOUS about this issue of CHILD labour, start at the production factories-( Parents), provide an alternative course of action.

That is too difficult and has for obvious reasons escaped the publicity seeking Mrs. Khan.
Child Labour cannot be TOUCHED upon by making West-Pleasing statements on TWITTER...........it needs GROUND work to find what the main causes are..............and the main cause is OVER-Production of Kids.

Maybe Mrs. Khan should concern herself with the one thing she might know a little about...............Birth Control ...............and try to STEM the TIDE where it is coming from...the GENITAL TRACT of Pakistan’s women and the SEMINAL VESICLES of the Pakistan’s MEN.

I rest my case.

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2015-04-18T14:18:01+03:00 2015-04-18T14:18:01+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=2344&p=9872#p9872 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • A Better Childhood]]> A Better Childhood

Happy or unhappy aside, it is hard to disagree with the assertion that every childhood is formative and unique. People reminisce and recall memories of childhood for different reasons but it remains evident to me that childhood matters to a vast majority of people. Pakistan has a burgeoning population of children and it begs the question what kind of childhood do they have or are likely to have. The answer to this question is rather complex and heart breaking but I want to express my opinion about one aspect of it only. Our children, like we were before them, are right to expect a happy and fulfilling childhood but standing in the way is our historic national paralysis on child labour and child abuse.

With the dawn of the digital age, the pressures our children face in Pakistan are a bit different from the generations before them. A lot more good and bad information is slushing around in cyber space. Also, rapid population growth has increased the supply of children vastly and consequently child labour has never been cheaper for those who want to employ children to work in their homes, factories and fields. It is utter fallacy to suggest that this is a class problem; every one who can, is at it. A vast number of people who cannot afford ‘domestic help’ happily employ children, essentially in bonded labour in their homes. The little hands that were meant to clutch dolls, kites, colour pencils and books are being made to cook, clean, build, fix and collect toxic rubbish – for little or no money. Even worse, many young children are working (impossibly long hours for a pittance) as childminders for those too lazy or too busy to look after their own children. Today Pakistan is living through the golden age of hypocrisy when it comes to child labour and child abuse.

It is not my wish to tell people about the definition of child abuse but depriving a child of his or her childhood most certainly is a form. We seem to suffer from a strange kind of blindness; we treat other people’s children in a manner that we never want our children to be treated. Children employed as servants in innumerable households in Pakistan tell us something rather unpalatable about us and our society; child labour is alright as long as it is not our own children. I cannot imagine a more repulsive instance of hypocrisy when your own child is in school and someone else’s child in wiping the floor of your house with a wet rag.

I see a clear link between child abuse and child labour; the fact that children are pushed into work environment without ANY consideration, except a monetary one, makes child abuse possible. Our media reports stories of abuse every day but that is just the tip of the iceberg. The real unbroken scandal in Pakistan is the systemic tolerance of abuse our children suffer, as a matter of routine, at the hands of cruel, sadistic, exploitative and sick adults who see them as easy prey. Unlike child labour, there is a deliberate taboo that surrounds the abuse of children and here lies our greatest failure – our unwillingness and unease to discuss what many sick adults are doing to children. There are many voiceless communities in Pakistan but none more than our suffering children whose silent screams should keep us mostly sleepless at night.

Reham Khan’s appointment as the KPK Ambassador for Street Children provoked a strange debate; was this a political appointment or not? There are a couple of very simple things to keep in mind; the job comes without any financial remunerations and it requires the incumbent to spend a lot of her time raising the profile of street children of KPK and hopefully Pakistan. The flak directed at Reham would have been justified had she been given a party position in PTI or a paid job in KPK Government – but as matters stand today, that is not the case. The vitriol directed at her seriously undermines the cause of street children and their daily suffering. She has a long way to go before she can become the true voice of organised of protest and resistance against child abuse but at least she has made a start by giving the our suffering street children a voice – a high profile voice that people are increasingly listening to albeit because of her relationship to Imran Khan.

I can blind you with statistics and heart rending stories of childhood lost and but I will not do that; today we have gone past that – many of us know the depth and gravity of the problem of child labour and child abuse in Pakistan. Recently Reham Khan responded to a tweet wishing her good luck in her new role (as Ambassador for Street Children) with;

“I don't need luck I need everyone to condemn child labour & to support the cause.”

A point made brilliantly; we are all in it together and without the support of every Pakistani, it is not possible to stop child abuse and child labour in our country. Rightly she points out that it is not about luck; unless of course we are talking about something brought about through intelligent, collective and consistent human endeavour. Our children deserve a better childhood – a childhood not dependent on fate or luck; we must begin this journey of a thousand miles by talking the first practical step.

Next time you visit a house where a child is employed; be sure to make your feelings known and please do not drink a hot or cold beverage that is brought to you by a child worker. People often cite the much used excuse; ‘oh, I am only helping out his/her parents financially by giving this child employment.’ NO, you are not! You are merely taking advantage a voiceless child’s poverty and compliance. You are not helping them or their parents; you are simply feeding your own greed and laziness. Harsh words? Yes, they are meant to be so; after all there is nothing nice about depriving a child of his or her childhood.

It is about time we resist the urge to politicise the serious issue of child abuse and child labour; be part of the solution and help give our children a better future by doing something real, practical and courageous; treat other people’s children the way you want your own children treated.

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Freedom implies all the choices which we human beings are faced with in our lives, choices which we should be able to exercise without any intervention of the arbitrary on the part of those in power. The arbitrary might only then be justified if by choosing a person puts his own life in danger (drugs is a case in point) or that of others (ownership of unjustified weapons, terrorism, etc.). In such cases it is the duty of the State to intervene and keep its citizens in line. Otherwise we should move through life without any outside intervention whatsoever. Unless our behaviour happens to clashe with existing law. Then we lose and the law wins - and rightly so.

Liberty then is the space and structure in which we can exercise our right to freedom without outside intervention. If we look at it in the political context alone, our freedom dictates our right to protest if we feel that we as a people are not being treated as we should be. A government can never be allowed to be all powerful. A government is not allowed to harm the majority of its citizens to the benefit of a very small minority, etc., etc. I'm not talking about dictatorship versus democracy here. Many a dictator has proved more considerate of his people than many a so-called democratic government.

So there we are. If you yourself feel you are not living in a free country, Jacky, then let us hope you find like-minded people to join up with to fight the tainted powers that be whose only task consists of depriving us in every way of the freedom which was given to us as our birthright.

Statistics: Posted by Mirza Ghalib — Thu Dec 11, 2014 12:02 pm


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From all this explanation it should be clear to people what deen of islam really is and what being a muslim actually means.

When a muslim lives among the rest of humanity, one sees human world living in a terrible state of affairs because each person is tearing apart any other like an animal to get what one wants of the others. All this is result of ignorance, illiteracy and lack of proper education ie people are hardly any better than rest of animals. Out of this human population some one rises above others to try and give people some better direction so that life could become somewhat better than what is already there. Since this person is part of rest of human race and is born into an already existing human population so he faces a lot of difficulties because he is challenging things as they are in order to change them the way one sees fit. This being the situation all those who benefit from things as they are, are going to become upset with him and are going to use all means at their disposal to keep things as they are. It is now up to people to decide what they support and what they oppose. This divides people into a few different camps. Ones that clearly support the change and others who clearly oppose the change and yet others who are undecided and some who play from both sides of the fence etc etc.

Since divisions are already there in human populations due to rivalries and animosities so hatred and wars are also there therefore there is little that changes just for sake of new movement. In other words any person who rises up in an already fighting population cannot cause any more damage to whatever is already there but can try and see if one can get rid of all this harm and destruction among people. This was the situation with messengers of Allah who tried to guide mankind out of their harmful and destructive mindsets, attitudes and behaviours based on harmful and destructive ambitions and desires. When Adam was sent as a messenger by Allah people were already killing each other and chiefs were looking for a way out of this harm and destruction. Same was happening when the final messenger of Allah came to save people from their own harm and destruction which they were already inflicting upon each other ie there were already wars on going all around arabia eg romans and persians etc were already busy fighting each other and even tribal people were at each other's throats in arabia itself.

The quran tells us facts about human history but mullahs have masked the information given in the quran with their nonsense due to their ignorance and foolishness because they did no research and exploration on what the quran was talking about to find out but instead made up stories while sitting on their behinds. They have been telling people Adam was first man who was created by Allah directly without involving natural process of cause and effect. The quran on the other hand explains things in sense of designed development of things from a starting point onwards like a flower gradually starts opening up bit by bit till it has opened up fully. In other words Allah talks about gradual unfolding of his plan with time like blossoming of a flower.

The very first proper human community was gathered by Adam with help of his supporters who then brought about a kingdom based upon guidance of Allah. He was opposed by a chief named in the quran as Iblees. Iblees and his supporters did manage to bring down the kingdom Adam and his supporters brought about but they managed to rebuilt it. Attention should be paid to the fact that the quran talks about various stages of development of the universe and humanity itself. For example the quran talks about tree of life which we can call tree of evolution today. It talks about various stages of development of a human being even before the birth of a human being as well as stages of development of a human being after his birth till death. A clear proof that quran is talking about natural cause and effect process in natural world. Things have been created to observe already existing things and learn from them and do what they think is right for them but humans have been created with maximum freedom for self programming as compared to all other living things. All this has been explained here and there so I will not go into detail of all that here.

It should therefore be clear that deen of islam is not the problem but solution for problems that human beings have created for themselves through senseless interaction between themselves and therefore have ruined their environment. However by learning things and educating themselves about the real world realities and the revelation of Allah they can bring about the world the quran promises. The quran is a real plan for building a proper human community and therefore a kingdom in which all people have a blissful, dignified and secure existence with help and full support of each other. If that is what we want. If not then people are free to keep doing to each other as they are or have been since long past.

Since security of people depends upon each other according to the quran and unless they agree to live peacefully for progress and prosperity of each other they cannot have any kind of security so all questions relating all kinds of security what if this and what if that become meaningless in context of the quran and deen of islam.

For example, people raise questions about CHAADUR, BURQA or VEIL etc or does Allah require people to wear certain kind of dress? Before asking such questions one must make oneself aware of the fact that deen of islam has aims and objectives for mankind to accomplish so if something is needed for fulfilling its objectives then it is needed otherwise it is not needed because ways and means in themselves are not the objectives and it is the purpose that decide what is necessary and what is not.

Now coming to question of dress code, it depends upon what is actual security available to people in a human population of which one is a part. When there is war like situation in a population and each person is trying to dominate others by undermining them by all means at his disposal then all are put under siege by each other because all are worried what is going to happen to them the next minute and who is going to do them something really bad so all need to take maximum security measures to try as best as they can to stay safe from each other. In such a society no one will be happy to see anyone else because all spell danger for each other. However if a population has decided to live as a caring sharing family making sure safety and security of each other then all are relaxed and glad to see each other. Now when you feel threatened then you take measure that are appropriate and when you are feeling safe and secure then you relax your security measures as well. It is because in one situation you try your best to hide yourself from others as well as anything else you treasure because otherwise you are sure to lose it. In the other situation you are relaxed so there is no need for running for cover. It is because in one situation everyone is there to take away whatever you have because they do not have that or just because they want to have something extra because they may need it if not today then may be tomorrow which may never come but that is the way people in such a society think about things. In the other society everyone has whatever others have so no one needs anything of anyone else so no one needs to be scared of anyone else. Adam was told to bring about a human society wherein all could eat of anything (ie take part in doing anything) accept for things which could damage or destroy the proper human community.

From my posts it should be clear by now how I look at deen of islam and why I do that and why I think mullahs have ruined this beautiful message of Allah by covering it up with loads of their nonsense. If one is really interested in learning deen of Allah then it is therefore necessary that people study the language of the quran and be a thinking people because the quran repeatedly invites attention of those who are thinkers to see what the actual message of the quran is and what it has on offer for mankind.

When I talk against mullahs, rulers and money lenders I do not mean the scholarly works people produced are totally useless because they have a lot of very useful things in them which help us move forward if we could learn how to use those works. Dictionaries are very useful works for example, be they written by atheists, hindus, parsees, jews, christiasns, muslims or any other people. The idea that only muslim mullahs know islam properly is a false idea. Book of Allah is for all human beings who are looking for guidance but nothing is easy in life so people do need to work at learning things including the message of this book. This does not mean works of other people are not at all helpful in knowing about the message of the quran. None of us is born fully educated and we all learn from each other so exchanging ideas helps to know things better and to discover newer and better ideas.

The most important point people who claim to be muslims or nonmuslims need to be aware of is, islam is a deen not a mazhab. The only people who accept islam as mazhab are rulers, money lenders, mullahs, their touts and supporters. I will try and explain why they do that and why they want all other people to do that.

No messenger was sent by Allah but he worked for establishing deen of Allah not any mazhab. Mazhab is personal for individual but deen by its very nature demands society. The very idea that Allah sent messengers to guide mankind means that Allah wanted people to stick together for well being of each other as a starting point. This is why Allah created people into human relationships as interdependent so deen of islam is a program for mankind for accomplishing certain goals stated in the quran and there are also guidelines according to which these goals are to be accomplished. The quran is a foundation for a constitution and laws for forming a proper human community and bringing about a kingdom and maintaining it for proper development and progress of humanity so that it could thereafter accomplish other higher goals. This is why there is concept of ummah in deen of islam as well as of a kingdom based upon guidance of Allah.

So people who do not accept islam as a deen are not accepted muslims by the quran because they do not accept the fact that law of Allah is supreme so they do not live by rule of law of Allah as a proper human community and instead live by rule of law of people by accepting the concept of man has right to rule over another man. This concept is all about divisions in humanity due to which there are rivalries and animosities therefore hatred and wars. It is because a way of life whereby one man rules over another is based upon personal gains at the expense of each other as opposed to living for well being of each other as a proper human community according to guidance provided by Allah. This is what divides people into advantaged and disadvantaged or rich and poor or strong and weak groups etc etc. The reason that divisions occur is because people do not use their God given abilities and things as they should. Since they misuse each and everything provided by Allah they end up hurting each other instead of ensuring well being of each other.

This is why Allah provided mankind with guidance and some people accept that guidance and support it while others reject and oppose it so mankind become divided into two camps a)muslims and b)kufaar. This leads to permanent struggle between people belonging to two main groups of people. Since people who work for well being of humanity do as told but their opponents do as they like therefore the human world is not the way it is supposed to be. Since there is constant struggle between two groups of people who are following opposite ways of life therefore people do what they think will ensure dominance of their way of life over any other way way of life.

From here begins all sorts of warfare between people to ensure their dominance over each other. So each time Allah sent any messenger with his guidance and he succeeded in bringing people within his reach under the jurisdiction of kingdom of Allah, soon the kingdom was swamped after the death of the messenger by those seeking better life and the followers of the messengers failed to cope with situations they created for themselves by opening the gates for outsider far too much beyond their own capabilities. Once people within the kingdom became slack in implementing the deen of Allah properly and also let outsiders in, the kingdom turned into a chaotic place proving full of opportunities for ignorant, illiterate and uneducated people who then spread in the kingdom of Allah the very beliefs and rituals they were used to. This handed over perfect opportunities for imperialists to hatch so many conspiracies within the kingdom that it fell apart and became what it was not supposed to be ie an empire based upon personal gains at the expense of proper human community.

This is the history told in the quran if we interpret the stories related to messengers of Allah and the kingdoms they brought about. One cannot understand the quran by mere random verses and their explanations by mullahs. For example, ask yourselves what happen to kingdom of prophet sulaimaan that was brought about by prophet david? SHAITAAN is not a supernatural magical figurehead but leadership who stand in opposition to guidance of Allah. SIHR does not mean magic the way mullahs tells us but merely covering of actual thing or masking it with something else to make it appear as the real thing which it is not. There is nothing in the quran about supernatural events other than the acts of creation and revelation. Make beliefs and useless rituals were invented and promoted by rulers, money lenders and mullahs to try to fool uneducated masses so that they could enslave them and keep them under their sway for use and abuse at their will. This is why people always conspired against the messengers of Allah and his missionaries in order to stop them from spreading the actual message of Allah which is for ensuring well being of mankind.

When people will start looking at works of opponents of deen of Allah in that context all fights between people will start making sense as to who is doing what and why. In order to try and confuse people, some try their best to show deen of islam is actually a man made thing. The question is, how do they do that? They do that by telling us all sorts of nonsense eg they tell us islam is not a deen but a mazhab. This is most severe attack one can ever carry out against deen of islam because merely by saying islam is not a deen they are telling us people they do not need guidance of Allah for knowing how they should live properly in this world. This idea therefore flies straight into the face of deen of islam and its actual followers yet those who claim to be muslims remain unaware of how damaging this idea of islam being a mazhab is for humanity as a whole. It means fights between people can never come to an end ever because if people are allowed to live as they like by each other then there cannot be any way out of this personal gains based way of life at the expense of each other. Something people in position of power want the most to continue for as long as they can help it.

This is why anyone who accepts islam as a mazhab instead of deen is actually playing in hands of users and abusers of humanity. This is why it is a more dangerous way to attack islam than actually attacking muslims with dangerous weapons. It is because in this case one is telling people that harmful and destructive actions are good because they are ordered by Allah when the actual fact is Allah does not tell people to do anything that is useless or harmful for mankind. This is why people who have nothing at all to do with Allah and humanity support religions because that gives them opportunities to carry on with whatever they are doing ie using and abusing mankind in the very name of Allah. This explanation should help people see why rulers, money lenders and mullahs do what they do and how they do it with help of their touts and supporters.

It has been explained already how messengers and missionaries of deen of Allah learn and teach deen of Allah and that is why they end up creating a kingdom based upon deen of Allah. A clear proof that each and every person in the kingdom of Allah knows the book of Allah because otherwise people cannot bring about the kingdom according to the book. None can form an organisation or a kingdom nor can one regulate one without having some sort of law. Even the tribal people had tribal customs to live by and they taught these customs to their future generations. A clear proof that no population can live without some sort of common code of life no matter how simple or how complex and sophisticated. A clear proof that messengers of Allah also brought about proper communities and kingdoms as per revealed programs, constitutions and laws for accomplishing set out goals according to provided guidelines.

So anyone who thinks islam is not a deen but a mazhab is far far away from proper understanding of the message in the quran. Likewise anyone who has little or no proper understanding of the quran can never understand anything else that is attributed to Allah or any of his messengers or any of his people. It is because if a solid foundation is not there then there is no criterion for judging anything else. The real world realities and revelations of Allah provide one with solid foundation that one can examine for oneself. That is the only base upon which one can and should build the proper human community.

This is why one will be very foolish to leave the solid foundation aside and try to build a proper human community on foundation of personality cults which themselves are not based on anything solid at all. This is why when Allah declared prophet ibraheem a good example to follow in following the commandments of Allah when he asked the same for his children he was told very clearly that only those people can be followed who actually follow the rule of law of Allah. So the main thing is not following of Abraham but what he followed as his imaam ie guidance of Allah. Nowhere Allah points out anyone as an exemplary character in his entirety because even messengers of Allah are not free of human errors. People are only supposed to support messengers of Allah so far as they are doing anything by the book of Allah. Way of life of messengers of Allah was not set-up by themselves but was told to them by Allah and it was up to them to follow it faithfully and they did except where they ended up making odd mistakes due to being human beings. This is why all concepts that people have created around personalities in the name of deen of islam are false. As soon as people will educate themselves properly about deen of islam they will give up all their nonsense beliefs and useless rituals and start doing what the quran actually requires of people to do so that its stated purpose and plan fulfils.

People who attack concept of deen of islam only do so because they want to replace it with personality cults so that they could then use names of those people to add wrong things to deen of islam and thereby get their way. This is why beliefs of certain people are taken as guaranty of true islam whereas people are supposed to take the book of Allah as the criterion after it has been interpreted free of all contradictions as the book itself claims. Likewise when people opposing the book could not find any way to undermine the book of Allah they tried to attack the book by inventing other stories and mixing them up with existing stories about the prophets that were originally completely true in order to try to make them look credible. The same idea was expanded later in books of fiqh. This is why people invented five schools of thought in the names of people none of whom told people to follow them. It were rulers, money lenders and mullahs who tried to move people away from the quran by keeping them ignorant, illiterate and uneducated with backing of state machinery as is always the case when people in positions of power decide to use and abuse others at will.

From all these explanations in this thread and elsewhere it should be very clear for all who have sense that not only the quran but all revelations sent by Allah were not only memorised by people but were also written down by them as well. This is why Allah did not start sending revelations till people had discovered ways of reading and writing. Revelation of Allah only began when man was able to think at higher level ie man became self aware and aware of realities around him and sought guidance because he became a thinking human being. Story of adam and his people told in the quran is actually a true story but it has not been explained properly by ignorant and foolish mullahs because they are hardly that learned people. One can see how much self aware these people are never mind about their awareness about realities of real world. This is why anyone who thinks deen of islam is that which is told by mullahs only exposes his own level of ignorance and foolishness about deen of islam.

Word quran does means recitation but not just recitation as mullahs will have us believe. Word QUR-AAN comes from root QAAF, RAA and ALIF. This root revolves around concept of purposeful collection or gathering of something. Letter QAAF means monkey or anything like a monkey in some sense, letter RAA means head or anything like head in some sense and letter ALIF means an ox. So if we expand on meanings of each of these letters one can see we could end up with so many meanings of this root. This is why it has meanings like monthly periods, sperm collection in a womb, sect, faction, group, a generation of people, reading from a written text, recitation from memory of a written text, a written collection of some information for preservation, contents gathered in something in some form, time span, cycle, appointed time, to become with child, to gather together, to hold, to hold in, to know, to learn, to cause or enable something, discourse, the entire text of the quran, reading, chief, manager, managed, power, authority, staff, stick, to imitate, to mimic, to meddle, to fool , to tinker, to be agile, to be mischievous, to make fool of, to be clever etc etc.

Word AL-QUR-AAN is a very comprehensive word. It means each and everything that serves its purpose in one or another sense. For short we can ask, why is the quran called AL-QURAAN? It is called AL-QURAAN because it is a recitation or proclamation or reading or writing or information or guidance or manifesto or program or constitution etc etc or any of these or all of these etc etc. In fact the whole text of the quran is merely explanation of what quran or deen of islam is. It all depends upon how detailed information one is looking for about the quran or deen of islam. This is what we find in dictionaries that people expand words as much as it serves their purpose and not that words stated in the dictionaries do not have any more meanings to add to these dictionaries.

How people try to distort deen of islam? They distort deen of islam in different ways eg by bringing in concepts that are merely make beliefs and by bringing in rituals that are useless.

Let us take the make belief that Allah sent his messengers with miracles. Can anyone clearly define what a miracle is? No. Can anyone prove that miracles are necessary for proving existence of Allah or that any claimant of messenger-ship from Allah is in actual fact a messenger sent by Allah? No. Why not? Because if miracles were necessary for proving existence of Allah or messenger-ship of a claimant of messenger-ship of Allah then where is any miracle for doing that for people of today? Not only that but there were no miracles for any people who did not witness them and particularly the later generations. If jesus showed some miracles to some people in some place then who showed any miracles to other people in other places particularly after jesus? Today all people are trying to prove existence of God only through whatever texts and books they have. What does that tell us? It tells us very clearly that miracles were never needed to prove anything but this concept was invented by rulers, money lenders and mullahs to make fools of people and they succeeded in doing that till today because ignorant, illiterate, uneducated and unthinking people still believe all sorts of nonsense they are told by their ignorant and foolish mullahs. This will keep happening till people educate themselves out of their ignorance and stupidity.

Who invented this false belief and spread it among ignorant masses and why? It was work of joint groups of people whose interest this idea could serve ie rulers, money lenders and mullahs and they invented this idea because they did not want people to accept guidance of Allah just as they do not want them to do that even today and that is why they are spreading all sorts of nonsense to keep people away from serious thinking about life. If a people can go to so many wars to try to prevent people from going to deen of Allah then why will they not try to do that by all other means under their control eg establishment, mass media etc etc.

How could they keep people away from deen of Allah by idea of miracles? To explain this point let us use an example of a child. Suppose a pair man and woman take away a child of someone else after his birth and keep telling him we are your father and mother till he is grown up, will the child ever know his real parents even if they were sitting next to him? No. It is because the child has no reason to miss his real parents because he thinks he is already with his real parents. Only if he finds out that people he is living with are not his real parents that he will look at all other people thinking any of them could be his real parents. Likewise if people are indoctrinated with wrong ideas then those idea unless challenged a person cannot find out what the reality may be. So if a people are indoctrinated with idea of miracles or supernatural human beings then unless people are challenged they will always be expecting such kind of man from God as his messenger and if anyone came and just read out things out of some book they will not accept him as a messenger of God because in their mind a man of God can only be a man whop can do miracles and can act supernaturally. This is how rulers, money lenders and mullahs made fool of people by setting up personality cults in order to bar message of God in the name of God. It was a very clever idea because people always had problems understanding it for what it was worth ie it was a fraud.

This is why the quran explains things to help people understand how things work in natural world naturally not supernaturally. The quran only puts two things as acts of Allah ie the creation of the universe and revelation of his message. This is why the quran emphasises the need for education and thinking, observation and proper understanding of things in so many verses. The explanation given here clearly explain that jesus was not a fatherless child, nor he did any miracles attributed to him and that all such claims related to jesus that involve supernatural acts are false according to the quran and people who are saying wrong things about jesus or for that mater any other messenger of Allah are in serious trouble with Allah and humanity.

1)Who decides what deen of islam is and how? Allah, people or both?

In my view deen of islam is decided by Allah and people both. Allah decides deen of islam in the sense of his dictation as to what it is and people decide it through their understanding of the message of Allah.

The main point to note here is that Allah knows what he is talking about because he has much more knowledge than people can ever have. Mainly because it is his purpose and plan for humanity. So the one who creates or designs something for some purpose knows better than anyone else what he expects from it or for it. However user must also learn to use the thing properly so that one can benefit from its use instead of getting harmed by it through its misuse even if by mistake.

Since it is people who need to make sense of what Allah has revealed so what do they need to know before they can understand the message of Allah?

a)since Allah has revealed his message in a human language so it is of vital importance that people learn things about the human language eg about its origin, development and how it works. Unless people come to know about these facts they cannot look at the message of the quran in its proper foundational context. A human baby when he is born has no sense of language therefore so long as he does not first learn a human language he cannot participate in a human society properly. Think about yourselves from the day you were born till you became what you are. What could you really do before you made some sense of the world in which you were born? How did you come to make sense of the world in which you were born? How did you come to speak the language you speak and do things that you do? Could you be of any use to yourself or anyone else if you remained the way you were born ie ignorant, illiterate, uneducated, untrained and having learned no skills of any sort? This is why anyone who has no interest in learning things that are important is useless for oneself as well the proper human community. Anyone who tells you anything on the contrary is only telling you falsehood and that is mere make belief.

2)Once people come to know things about human language then the next vital important thing is knowing the purpose of revelation of Allah because it is purpose of creation and revelation that helps understand the plan of Allah because the plan of Allah revolves around purpose of his creation and revelation. No one with any sense does anything haphazardly like a person who lacks any sense. Allah is AL-HAKEEM so purpose and plan of Allah has to be such that reflects his wisdom. So when people will have learned about his purpose and plan properly they will come to the conclusion that Allah is truly wise in actual fact.

So people should stop wasting their time on doing senseless things senselessly instead of focusing on making efforts to know things properly and then do them properly after knowing them in order to fulfil the purpose and plan of Allah as being part of it.

b)The most important point people who claim to be muslims or nonmuslims need to be aware of is, islam is a deen not a mazhab. The only people who accept islam as mazhab are rulers, money lenders, mullahs, their touts and supporters. I will try and explain why they do that and why they want all other people to do that.

No messenger was sent by Allah but he worked for establishing deen of Allah not any mazhab. Mazhab is personal for individual but deen by its very nature demands society. The very idea that Allah sent messengers to guide mankind means that Allah wanted people to stick together for well being of each other as a starting point. This is why Allah created people into human relationships as interdependent so deen of islam is a program for mankind for accomplishing certain goals stated in the quran and there are also guidelines according to which these goals are to be accomplished. The quran is a foundation for a constitution and laws for forming a proper human community and bringing about a kingdom and maintaining it for proper development and progress of humanity so that it could thereafter accomplish other higher goals. This is why there is concept of ummah in deen of islam as well as of a kingdom based upon guidance of Allah.

So people who do not accept islam as a deen are not accepted muslims by the quran because they do not accept the fact that law of Allah is supreme so they do not live by rule of law of Allah as a proper human community and instead live by rule of law of people by accepting the concept of man has right to rule over another man. This concept is all about divisions in humanity due to which there are rivalries and animosities therefore hatred and wars. It is because a way of life whereby one man rules over another is based upon personal gains at the expense of each other as opposed to living for well being of each other as a proper human community according to guidance provided by Allah. This is what divides people into advantaged and disadvantaged or rich and poor or strong and weak groups etc etc. The reason that divisions occur is because people do not use their God given abilities and things as they should. Since they misuse each and everything provided by Allah they end up hurting each other instead of ensuring well being of each other.

This is why Allah provided mankind with guidance and some people accept that guidance and support it while others reject and oppose it so mankind become divided into two camps a)muslims and b)kufaar. This leads to permanent struggle between people belonging to two main groups of people. Since people who work for well being of humanity do as told but their opponents do as they like therefore the human world is not the way it is supposed to be. Since there is constant struggle between two groups of people who are following opposite ways of life therefore people do what they think will ensure dominance of their way of life over any other way way of life.

From here begins all sorts of warfare between people to ensure their dominance over each other. So each time Allah sent any messenger with his guidance and he succeeded in bringing people within his reach under the jurisdiction of kingdom of Allah, soon the kingdom was swamped after the death of the messenger by those seeking better life and the followers of the messengers failed to cope with situations they created for themselves by opening the gates for outsider far too much beyond their own capabilities. Once people within the kingdom became slack in implementing the deen of Allah properly and also let outsiders in, the kingdom turned into a chaotic place proving full of opportunities for ignorant, illiterate and uneducated people who then spread in the kingdom of Allah the very beliefs and rituals they were used to. This handed over perfect opportunities for imperialists to hatch so many conspiracies within the kingdom that it fell apart and became what it was not supposed to be ie an empire based upon personal gains at the expense of proper human community.

This is the history told in the quran if we interpret the stories related to messengers of Allah and the kingdoms they brought about in the ame of Allah. One cannot understand the quran by mere random verses and their explanations by mullahs. For example, ask yourselves what happen to kingdom of prophet sulaimaan that was brought about by prophet dawood? SHAITAAN is not a supernatural magical figurehead but leadership who stand in opposition to guidance of Allah. SIHR does not mean magic the way mullahs tells us but merely covering up of actual thing or masking it with something else to make it appear as the real thing which it is not. There is nothing in the quran about supernatural events other than the acts of creation and revelation. Make beliefs and useless rituals were invented and promoted by rulers, money lenders and mullahs to try to fool uneducated masses so that they could enslave them and keep them under their sway for use and abuse at their will. This is why people always conspired against the messengers of Allah and his missionaries in order to stop them from spreading the actual message of Allah which is for ensuring well being of mankind.

When people will start looking at works of opponents of deen of Allah in that context all fights between people will start making sense as to who is doing what and why. In order to try and confuse people, some try their best to show deen of islam is actually a man made thing. The question is, how do they do that? They do that by telling us all sorts of nonsense eg they tell us islam is not a deen but a mazhab. This is most severe attack one can ever carry out against deen of islam because merely by saying islam is not a deen they are telling us they do not need guidance of Allah for knowing how they should live properly in this world. This idea therefore flies straight into the face of deen of islam and its actual followers yet those who claim to be muslims remain unaware of how damaging this idea of islam being a mazhab is for humanity as a whole. It means fights between people can never come to an end ever because if people are allowed to live as they like by each other then there cannot be any way out of this personal gains based way of life at the expense of each other. Something people in position of power want the most to continue for as long as they can help it.

This is why anyone who accepts islam as a mazhab instead of deen is actually playing in hands of users and abusers of humanity. This is why it is a more dangerous way to attack islam than actually attacking muslims with dangerous weapons. It is because in this case one is telling people that harmful and destructive actions are good because they are ordered by Allah when the actual fact is Allah does not tell people to do anything that is useless or harmful for mankind. This is why people who have nothing at all to do with Allah and humanity support religions because that gives them opportunities to carry on with whatever they are doing ie using and abusing mankind in the very name of Allah. This explanation should help people see why rulers, money lenders and mullahs do what they do and how they do it with help of their touts and supporters.

The question arises how did rulers, money lenders and mullahs managed to derail deen of Allah from its rails? They invented an idea called SHAANE NAZOOL as a rule for interpreting the verses of the quran. It is an invention where mullahs told people taht such and such surah or verse fo the quran was revealed for this or that or the other reason. The idea was instilled in minds of people that Allah was prompted by people to tell things so he revealed the message to tell them what they wanted to know. This idea is a severe attack on integrity of the quranic text because that means the quran is an incomplete message in the sense that things people needed or going to need in the future but they could not ask the messenger of Allah so they remain unanswered and known. Along with that another idea was invented and that was called concept of AL-NAASIKH WAL MANSOOKH ie the idea of abrogation. Another serious attack on the integrity of the quran. By telling people to accept this idea mullahs were actually telling people to accept that Allah was not the knowledgeable being because he kept changing his mind about things. Within 23 years of life of messenger of Allah according to them Allah changed his mind about things so he abrogated some verses from the quran and replaced them with some new ones. If within such short period 23 years the guidance of Allah failed to work then how could it last for ever when so many changes in the world were yet to come because the world was created to carry on changing for ever? This is how deen of islam was covered up by rulers, money lenders and mullahs through cooperating with each other through interpretations based upon these like rules. This shows the length to which some people went to try to get deen of Allah out of their way so that they could be left free on their own to use and abuse humanity at will.

3)It has been explained already how messengers and missionaries of deen of Allah learn and teach deen of Allah and that is why they end up creating a kingdom based upon deen of Allah. A clear proof that each and every person in the kingdom of Allah knows the book of Allah because otherwise people cannot bring about the kingdom according to the book. None can form an organisation or a kingdom nor can one regulate one without having some sort of law. Even the tribal people had tribal customs to live by and they taught these customs to their future generations. A clear proof that no population can live without some sort of common code of life no matter how simple or how complex and sophisticated. A clear proof that messengers of Allah also brought about proper communities and kingdoms as per revealed programs, constitutions and laws for accomplishing set out goals according to provided guidelines.

So anyone who thinks islam is not a deen but a mazhab is far far away from proper understanding of the message in the quran. Likewise anyone who has little or no proper understanding of the quran can never understand anything else that is attributed to Allah or any of his messengers or any of his people. It is because if a solid foundation is not there then there is no criterion for judging anything else. The real world realities and revelations of Allah provide one with solid foundation that one can examine for oneself. That is the only base upon which one can and should build the proper human community.

This is why one will be very foolish to leave the solid foundation aside and try to build a proper human community on foundation of personality cults which themselves are not based on anything solid at all. This is why when Allah declared prophet ibraheem a good example to follow in following the commandments of Allah when he asked the same for his children he was told very clearly that only those people can be followed who actually follow the rule of law of Allah. So the main thing is not following of Abraham but what he followed as his imaam ie guidance of Allah. Nowhere Allah points out anyone as an exemplary character in his entirety because even messengers of Allah are not free of human errors. People are only supposed to support messengers of Allah so far as they are doing anything by the book of Allah. Way of life of messengers of Allah was not set-up by themselves but was told to them by Allah and it was up to them to follow it faithfully and they did except where they ended up making odd mistakes due to being human beings. This is why all concepts that people have created around personalities in the name of deen of islam are false. As soon as people will educate themselves properly about deen of islam they will give up all their nonsense beliefs and useless rituals and start doing what the quran actually requires of people to do so that its stated purpose and plan fulfils.

People who attack concept of deen of islam only do so because they want to replace it with personality cults so that they could then use names of those people to add wrong things to deen of islam and thereby get their way. This is why beliefs of certain people are taken as guaranty of true islam whereas people are supposed to take the book of Allah as the criterion after it has been interpreted free of all contradictions as the book itself claims. Likewise when people opposing the book could not find any way to undermine the book of Allah they tried to attack the book by inventing other stories and mixing them up with existing stories about the prophets that were originally completely true in order to try to make them look credible. The same idea was expanded later in books of fiqh. This is why people invented five schools of thought in the names of people none of whom told people to follow them. It were rulers, money lenders and mullahs who tried to move people away from the quran by keeping them ignorant, illiterate and uneducated with backing of state machinery as is always the case when people in positions of power decide to use and abuse others at will.

From all these explanations in this thread and elsewhere it should be very clear for all who have sense that not only the quran but all revelations sent by Allah were not only memorised by people but were also written down by them as well. This is why Allah did not start sending revelations till people had discovered ways of reading and writing. Revelations by Allah only began when man was able to think at higher level ie man became self aware and aware of realities around him and sought guidance because he became a thinking human being. Story of adam and his people told in the quran is actually a true story but it has not been explained properly by ignorant and foolish mullahs because they are hardly that learned people. One can see how much self aware these people are never mind about their awareness about realities of real world. This is why anyone who thinks deen of islam is that which is told by mullahs only exposes his own level of ignorance and foolishness about deen of islam.

4)Word quran does means recitation but not just recitation as mullahs will have us believe. Word QUR-AAN comes from root QAAF, RAA and ALIF. This root revolves around concept of purposeful collection or gathering of something. Letter QAAF means monkey or anything like a monkey in some sense eg clever or mischievous, letter RAA means head or anything like head in some sense eg niot only the head of a person on his shoulders but also a head of an organisation or tribe or country etc and letter ALIF means an ox or stick or power or authority etc. So if we expand on meanings of each of these letters one can see we could end up with so many meanings of this root. This is why it has meanings like monthly periods, sperm collection in a womb, sect, faction, group, a generation of people, reading from a written text, recitation from memory of a written text, a written collection of some information for preservation, contents gathered in something in some form, time span, cycle, appointed time, to become with child, to gather together, to hold, to hold in, to know, to learn, to cause or enable something, discourse, the entire text of the quran, reading, chief, manager, managed, power, authority, staff, stick, to imitate, to mimic, to meddle, to fool , to tinker, to be agile, to be mischievous, to make fool of, to be clever etc etc.

Word AL-QUR-AAN is a very comprehensive word. It means each and everything that relating the quran that serves its purpose in one or another sense. For short we can ask, why is the quran called AL-QURAAN? It is called AL-QURAAN because it is a recitation or proclamation or reading or writing or information or guidance or manifesto or program or constitution etc etc or any of these or all of these etc etc. In fact the whole text of the quran is merely explanation of what quran or deen of islam is. It all depends upon how detailed information one is looking for about the quran or deen of islam. This is what we find in dictionaries that people expand words as much as it serves their purpose and not that words stated in the dictionaries do not have any more meanings to add to these dictionaries.

5)How else people try to distort deen of islam? They distort deen of islam in different ways eg by bringing in concepts that are merely make beliefs and by bringing in rituals that are useless.

Let us take the make belief that Allah sent his messengers with miracles. Can anyone clearly define what a miracle is? No. Can anyone prove that miracles are necessary for proving existence of Allah or that any claimant of messenger-ship from Allah is in actual fact a messenger sent by Allah? No. Why not? Because if miracles were necessary for proving existence of Allah or messenger-ship of a claimant of messenger-ship of Allah then where is any miracle for doing that for people of today? Not only that but there were no miracles for any people who did not witness them and particularly the later generations. If jesus showed some miracles to some people in some place then who showed any miracles to other people in other places particularly after jesus? Today all people are trying to prove existence of God only through whatever texts and books they have not miracles. What does that tell us? It tells us very clearly that miracles were never needed to prove anything but this concept was invented by rulers, money lenders and mullahs to make fools of people and they succeeded in doing that till today because ignorant, illiterate, uneducated and unthinking people still believe all sorts of nonsense they are told by their ignorant and foolish mullahs. This will keep happening till people educate themselves out of their ignorance and stupidity.

6)Who invented this false belief and spread it among ignorant masses and why? It was work of joint groups of people whose interest this idea could serve ie rulers, money lenders and mullahs and they invented this idea because they did not want people to accept guidance of Allah just as they do not want them to do that even today and that is why they are spreading all sorts of nonsense to keep people away from serious thinking about life. If a people can go to so many wars to try to prevent people from going to deen of Allah then why will they not try to do that by all other means under their control eg establishment, mass media etc etc.

How could they keep people away from deen of Allah by idea of miracles? To explain this point let us use an example of a child. Suppose a pair man and woman take away a child of someone else after his birth and keep telling him we are your father and mother till he is grown up, will the child ever know his real parents even if they were sitting next to him? No. It is because the child has no reason to miss his real parents because he thinks he is already with his real parents. Only if he finds out that people he is living with are not his real parents that he will look at all other people thinking any of them could be his real parents. Likewise if people are indoctrinated with wrong ideas then those idea unless challenged a person cannot find out what the reality may be. So if a people are indoctrinated with idea of miracles or supernatural human beings then unless people are challenged they will always be expecting such kind of man from God as his messenger and if anyone came and just read out things out of some book they will not accept him as a messenger of God because in their mind a man of God can only be a man whop can do miracles and can act supernaturally. This is how rulers, money lenders and mullahs made fool of people by setting up personality cults in order to bar message of God in the name of God. It was a very clever idea because people always had problems understanding it for what it was worth ie it was a fraud.

This is why the quran explains things to help people understand how things work in natural world naturally not supernaturally. The quran only puts two things as acts of Allah ie the creation of the universe and revelation of his message. This is why the quran emphasises the need for education and thinking, observation and proper understanding of things in so many verses. The explanation given here clearly explain that jesus was not a fatherless child, nor he did any miracles attributed to him and that all such claims related to jesus that involve supernatural acts are false according to the quran and people who are saying wrong things about jesus or for that mater any other messenger of Allah are in serious trouble with Allah and humanity.

Statistics: Posted by Mughal — Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:19 pm


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My question to all such scholars is, please tell me what are the very basic requirements for understanding anything at all? I ask this question because both muslims and nonmuslims claim that the text of the quran is nothing more than a jumble of verses that make no sense on their own. Is there anything in this universe that anyone can make any sense of without pondering over it? Was the universe and were the things in it there before a person was born? My answer is yes. Was that person aware of all that he saw with his eyes, heard it with his ears, smelled it with his nose, tasted it with his tongue and felt it with his sense of touch? Was he born with proper understanding of all this? No, not at all. If that is the fact then how did one come to make sense of all things that he has become aware of so far? The day scholars come to realise this fact they will come to know that the quranic text is not a collection of random verses. The universe was a perfectly working order complete system before our birth but we only came to know about it once we used our own brains and senses to explore the universal realities to make sense of them. It is we who began to see connection between things after we started observing and doing things with whatever we could get our hands on. This is how gradually we built our information bank about the universal realities and our brains by constructing, de-constructing and reconstructing that information started making sense of things. The process is exactly the same when it comes to the quran. As anyone comes across anything the very first time, things seem disconnected or remote and random till one starts making sense of them, so the quran is not any exception in this respect.

To understand anything, to begin with we only need brain language which is all preprogrammed just like a computer comes ready to process information. If we did not have preprogrammed brains to a degree we will not be able to process any data that we sensed with our senses. Imagine putting on windows on a computer that had no cpu=central processing unity. More precisely the ALU arithmetic logic unit that acts as a cpu. All this is called hardware. The brain is a biological computer if you like. That is biologically hard wired ready to make use of its senses and to process any information it gets through them as a mechanism for stimulus or a window to outside world.

Brain keeps collecting information through its senses but it then wants to act on this information so it uses its body mechanisms to express itself or connects to outside world to influence it the way it wants. This is how comes about interaction between things in the environment one is born in. This interaction forced people to communicate with each other using additional languages basically body language and sign language and then that led to spoken language as sounds made by people began to take form of codes for real world realities as their names or names of their actions etc.

Unless people therefore understand the origin and development of spoken and written language they cannot understand anything about the origin and development of revelation of Allah through out times and places or origin and development of humanity itself.

This should leave one in no doubt at all as to why so called scholars both muslims and nonmuslims fail to make proper sense of the text of the quran. It is because the language provides the very foundational context of any spoken or written word in any book not just the quran.

The truth is both muslims and nonmuslims scholars seriously lack knowledge about deen of islam and due to that all people are busy killing each other due to animal behaviour or worse.

From my above explanation it should be very clear how important communication is between people and therefore the importance of language becomes very much self evident. Now think about how a human baby learns a human language. Once a baby is born into this world his brain and senses begin to work according to environment of this universe so he keeps observing things as they happen all around him and so data keeps gathering in his head as time goes on. He tries to make sense of things as much as he can at each moment of his awareness. He begins to see that people around him react to each other through body movements as well as some sounds. After long period of quiet observation he tries to act the same way in order to copy others in their movements as well as their sounds. He begins to see that others also react to him as he makes some moves or sounds so he keeps remembering these little things and so builds up a bank of codes in his mind for movements and words. From this it should be clear that people only come to know what they have picked up through their observations and nothing beyond till they develop capability of thinking at higher level. Not only that it also makes it amply clear that thinking does not start all by itself rather there has to be some triggering factors that draw attention towards something to think about. So learning is all about something drawing attention of people and then people exploring the thing towards which their attention is drawn. If attention of a person is not drawn to something in some way ever, one will never become aware of it ever.

This should explain how people learn a language and why they speak only that language to which their attention has been drawn and do not speak any other language to which they have not been exposed. Take this to origin of human species ie how people invented language in sense of listening and talking as well as reading and writing. Human species came about from tree of life just like other species of living things and developed with time. They started as another species of animals in human shape and gradually developed various way of communication among themselves through observing other things that were already there. Originally humans were driven by their drives and reflexive behaviour due to their very limited thinking capacity due to their limited observations and life experiences. However as they built on their experiences generation after generation they began to think first and act after. Just as a human baby acts first and then thinks if he is forced to do so by some sort of reaction to his action so original humans gradually became a thinking people who began to reason things out just as babies gradually learn to reason things. This is why the wider and deeper life experience one has the better his making sense of things is.

Since we know how human language came about and developed the question arises, how did people give meanings to words? Originally people had certain imaginations in their heads about things they observed so there were no words but then they made bodily gestures to each other and learned to code them in their minds and that helped them to code sounds as well. Any bodily gesture made by anyone meant the whole things not just one word as we know it today. If one raised his hand to show someone I am going to beat you up that is what it meant by raising of hand that way. If one showed by gesture of hand that I am going to catch you, that is what it meant by that gesture. But as soon as sounds became codified the bodily gestures took form of words the same bodily gestures were translated into meaningful words that made sense to people among themselves. The sound language came about because people wanted to explain to each other things they could not explain by bodily gestures alone eg for preservation purposes for future generations. The same urge led mankind to finding a way of writing down the information. This is how people ended up drawing pictures to explain events they experienced. Pictorial writing gave way to letters and letters were modified again and again to refine them for ease of writing. Likewise spoken language went through modifications for sake of refinement or precision. If we go back to how baby starts talking using very same word for each and everything but then as time goes on he develops capability of saying more and more words to say what he wants to say. With time he builds up vocabulary and so did human beings originally generation after generation. As we can see each and every step in human development was driven by need or usefulness. In other words all this helped mankind to survive and progress because knowledge and skills help people get through life easier as compared to those who remain ignorant and unskilled.

Originally people drew pictures of things as a way of writing down what they wanted to say eg they drew picture of a head of an ox or a bull to represent power or authority. They drew picture of a tent to represent family or a household, picture of water to represent sea or a human head to represent chief and so on and so forth. If we look into arabic letters they are meaningful words eg ALIF means bull and it represent power and authority or stick, BAA means house because originally it was pronounced BAAIT in hebrew where arabs got it from. What is known as RAA in arabic was RAISH in hebrew or in arabic RAAS=head or chief. Likewise letter AIN means eye both in hebrew as well arabic. Since all letters in hebrew are meaningful words so they are in arabic. The root system also originates from hebrew and ancestral languages. In root system a few letters are taken as a unit or set or root which is given the meanings based upon individual letters as well as sum total of meanings of all letters. This is why each root has various concrete meanings as well as derived meanings because originally each meaning was a label given to a reality in real world eg BAA=BAAIT=house and house is a concrete reality then word BAAIT itself has three letter root ie BAA, YAA and TAA, so these meanings keep on expanding with each extra word and its combination of letters. YAA means YAD both in hebrew and arabic and it means hand. This is how letters were attached meanings in forms of roots. Once a letter was given concrete meanings a set of conceptual meanings also came about based upon what a things was and what it did or what it was useful for or was used for or the way it worked or served a purpose. For example, letter AIN means eye but what is eye and what it does or is used for is also part of meanings of letter ain. This is why in arabic a root can have many meanings not just one or two. Now that things about origin and development of language are explained in detail it is easy for anyone who has knowledge to see how many objections people raise against the quran based on lack of understanding of language as to how it came about and developed and how words got their meanings or how language works in actual fact etc etc.

Let us now turn to the quran. People ask, why Allah does not explain each and everything in detail in the quran? It is because Allah had a purpose in his mind and had a plan for mankind due to which he created people and the rest of the universe and sent his revelations for mankind to live by so that purpose and plan of Allah comes to its fulfilment. All this is explained in detail in the quran the final revelation of Allah for the mankind. Whenever anyone does anything one has some reason or purpose for doing it. Allah created mankind and the universe and sent his revelations because he is a living being and wanted to express himself. The only way he decided to express himself was through creation and revelation. Since he wanted to express himself he decided to create mankind for appreciating his creator out of his own choice and that is why humans are taken as special creatures of Allah unlike all other creatures.

Since humans have been created with ability to choose to do things at a greater level than all other creatures therefore Allah could not fully program people to be like fully programmed robots instead he had to program them to a degree and leave them to program themselves for the rest of things that is why he gave people brains, senses, bodies, provisions and revelations to learn and do as they please. This is why the quran only contains information as much as it serves purpose and plan of creator of the universe and nothing more than that. It is the implication of what one does that binds one to his plan and purpose and so Allah himself bound himself by this purpose and plan and nothing can make Allah change his mind because if he changes his mind then his purpose and plan will fail and that is impossible ie plan of Allah cannot fail. No one forced Allah to take on this responsibility upon himself but he decided to do all this so he will go through with it no matter what. Since Allah has a purpose and a plan to fulfil so it is not possible that Allah should do anything that ruins the whole thing for him.

Allah is capable of a lots of things but only as a God just as man is capable of doing things but only as a human being and this is why the quran is the way it is. What do I mean by that? I mean that the quran is a limited text in a language that was not yet fully developed. Why Allah had to send the quran in an ancient language and why he chose arabic in particular? It is because arabic was the only language that could serve purpose of divine revelation in this age. Why? Because it was a root based language and that made it very flexible for meanings of words so Allah could express his thoughts in a human language that was so flexible in its meaning therefore it could accommodate thoughts of Allah for guidance of mankind. Not only that but all other root based languages were not as wide spread as arabic at the time and since then. This is what made it right for the purpose of Allah. But why Allah did not wait till arabic language developed to its fullest? It is because a fully developed language becomes very precise therefore needs more text for explaining the very same thing because it has more words for more concepts. Let us go back to development of a human baby. A human baby begins with less words to tell many things and as he grows with time he gets to know more and more words for telling about more and more things. However his ratio of words and thoughts gradually reduces ie he uses more number of words for expressing lesser number of thoughts and that is what lead to precision use of language. So what the baby told us using a word or two now he can tell us in many words. His parents had no problem understanding him because they had learned to make sense of what he used to say when he was speaking less number of words. So people who learn things can understand them and those who do not bother to make sense of things they do not understand them regardless the language is under developed or over developed, course or fine.

If the quran was revealed in a fully developed language its text ought to increase many folds than the text of the quran we have. Imagine Allah revealing a huge encyclopaedia containing each and everything we humans ever needed, could we make any use of it? No, why not? Because human brain is not that capable to cope with that amount of information. As things are in this universe the way it works, it will have been impossible for people to copy information and share it with each other or to preserve it for coming generations or to carry it about. So even though Allah was capable of sending people a huge book, people were not able to cope with it. This is why people need to look at things in the context they are explained in the quran by Allah himself instead of telling Allah what he should or should not have done. This is not for people to decide but right of Allah because when Allah decided things people were not around to give him their suggestions.

This explanation should make clear to anyone with knowledge why knowing things about language is so important because then one can clearly see implications of attacking the quran from the wrong angles eg why Allah did not explain things in more detail etc.

The study about origin and development of language tells us that words have various meanings and that those meanings are based upon solid foundation beyond a shadow of doubt. This deals a fatal blow to criticism of the quran by those people who say that muslims are seeing things in the quran which were not there before after they have been discovered by scientists? It shows that if people who claim to be scientist do not have knowledge about the origin and development of language then they can end up making false claims about something they know nothing about. This is how looking at things in their proper context reveals the truth beyond a shadow of doubt. Take for example letter AIN in arabic. It means eye but it also means a spring why? Because when eye cries it sheds tears and that is why it also means a source of water ie water spring or well or pond etc. Moreover the very same letter ain means help or support and that is because eye is very much helpful to a person who uses it to see things to find his way to things. This is why to guard or to keep an eye on things and likewise many other meanings come about as a result of a rule whereby meanings of words keep on expanding. On one hand this flexibility in the language helps accommodate various concepts but on the other it also creates a problem that if a word can have so many meanings then how do we choose the right meaning of a word?

After language based context one has to look at the text on basis of its purpose. For example, if I am going to employ someone to guard a place as a watchman then other meanings of word AIN will fall away and that means I am not talking about a water spring. Likewise if I am lifting something heavy and need help with it then I am not looking for a guard or water spring and that is how context makes things very clear despite and word having so many different meanings due to context of origin and development of language. Likewise when we look at words in the quran we need to keep in mind that we are looking at the quran as a supposed word of Allah. Why do we need to do that? Because the quran so claims ie it tells us it is word of God. Since the quran itself claims to be word of God therefore we have no choice but to examine it for what it claims to be. We cannot investigate something for which we have no claim or accusation or no reason to investigate. Unless there is some case to answer or some accusation or claim about something we have no reason to start an investigation. Only when we have a reason for starting any investigation we will start an investigation. When it comes to the quran, we cannot start an investigate for what it does not claim to be because we can only start an investigation for what it claims to be and since it claims to be word of God so that is the only reason we can start investigating its claim to see if it proves itself true or not. This means anyone trying to prove the quran is not the word of God is looking at things the wrong way round. It is a situation like someone claims he has murdered someone and another person comes along and says no he did not. Now we have two opposite claims but the priority rests with person who claims to have murdered someone.

So first we will have to ask the person who claims to have murdered someone to bring his evidence and only if he fails in providing one that we may go to the other person to see what is his evidence for claiming he did not murdered someone. However if the person who claims to have murdered someone comes up with a credible or irrefutable evidence then the other person is proven wrong who claimed he did not murder someone. This means people who instead of investigating the quran for its claim raise other claims against it but have never been able to properly investigate the quran to begin with their claims about the quran are not credible at all. To show they have investigated the quran for its truth the first things they will need to know is origin and development of language and then the purpose of revelation of the quran in the context of the quranic text. If a person is unable to show the quran has any model in its text but in actual fact there is a model that can be shown from the quranic text then the case is clear that either the person investigating the quran does not have the tools needed to know how to investigate the quran properly or that one is being deliberately dishonest for one reason or the other better known to oneself.

What do we need to keep in mind when we investigate the quran for its truth? We need to keep in mind that if the quran is truly word of God then it is talking about things exactly as they are so all meanings of all words need to be taken in that context because God is creator of all things he is talking about in the quran ie he is talking about things from his point of view where he talks from his point of view unless he is quoting others. The other thing we need to keep in our minds is that we are human beings and as human being we do not know facts as they are till we learn about them in detail through our own research and exploration. So it is a matter of fact that we may not know actual facts about things because we may not have learned them therefore we will not be able to make proper sense of things we never learned. So if we do not know some things then we cannot be certain in expressing our opinions about them till we have come to know them. If we say something is right or wrong without knowing it then that is not the right way to do things. For example, Allah talks in the quran about human beings in detail but to know what Allah is saying we also need to reach our own understandings about human beings through our own research and exploration or we will not know what Allah is talking about if we are not familiar with things he is talking about. The question is, have we carried out our own research and exploration as to what human beings are so that we could make sense of what Allah is exactly talking about when he talks about human beings? Allah talks in the quran in detail about human society, politics, economics etc etc but if we do not know anything much about any of these issues then how can we claim we know what the quran is talking about? Likewise Allah talks in the quran in detail about philosophy of science and philosophy of history but do we know what philosophy of science and philosophy history is about? Allah talks in the quran in detail about his program, goals and guidelines for mankind but do we know anything about all this? Allah talks about the universe and things in it in detail but have we carried out any research and exploration to know the universe and things in it? He talks about constitution and laws for mankind but do we know anything about them? Allah talks about organisation and regulation of human society but have we learned how to organise and regulate ourselves properly as a proper human community? So who has investigated the quranic text in detail to reach a conclusion one way or the other about the quran?

All this explanation should show very clearly to people of knowledge whether anyone has investigated the quran properly ever since its revelation after the messenger of Allah passed away. To be able to answer questions about deen of islam one has to know the quran properly and one cannot know the quran properly till one has reasonable grasp over idea of origin of language, how it got its concepts therefore meanings. It is because the quran was revealed in a particular human language at a particular time in written form as well as in form of a reading.

No mullah has any idea about the origin of language, its development and progress and the relevant implications. This is why almost all translations of the quran are mostly defective because they do not take into account the contexts of the quranic text. Who can say anything for certain about anything if one has no idea what human language itself is? If anyone wants to make sense of the quranic text, one has to look for information outside the box in which so called scholars and mullahs have put people for a very long time now.

1)Which scholar or mullah do you need to go to for studying origin of language? All you need to do is learn any facts about any language from any people who are expert in knowing and teaching those facts about a language and they do not have to be muslims only or nonmuslims only. In fact they can be atheists or theists or neitehr.

2)Which scholar or mullah do you need to go to, to learn about realities of real world? All you need to do is go to people who observe real word realities and explore and carry out research works therefore discover things and inform people about them.

3)It is a matter of fact that one cannot understand the quran unless one knows facts about the human language and the language used for the quran by Allah. Because it gives us foundational context of the quranic text. It is due to having proper sense of human language that we are able to make sense of realities of our universe in which we are born. It is then that these realities of real world give us secondary foundational context to see what the message of the quran may be. If we do not know things about language or real world realities then we have no way of knowing what words are and what they actually mean. This is why the quran puts emphasis on using our God given brains, senses, bodies and provided things including his revelation properly, otherwise people are nothing more than animals. In fact God himself labels them worse of all the animals.

4)Only if one has sense of these contexts the context of the quranic text within itself becomes important not otherwise. Once we have the understanding of the quranic text in these contexts only then we have the context for things attributed to the messenger of Allah as criterion to see if they are true or false. Once we have all these things properly in their proper contexts we can see what people attributed to people is true or false because then we have the solid criterion to judge things by.

All this explanation shows that one does not need any scholar or mullah to explain anything at all because learning and doing things is common heritage of humanity. We can learn anything from anyone who knows it. However whatever we learn we have a duty to pass it on to others for ensuring well being of mankind.

The quranic use of languages helps expand human power of thinking. How does it do it? It does it by using less number of words for expressing more number of concepts and facts. It is because when things are talked about in less detail then the listener has to put pressure on one's own mind to think out what the talker is talking about and that helps mind expand and become more sophisticated ie the more one tries to figure out things the more human mind expands and becomes more capable of making sense of more things which in turn helps humanity make progress and prosper. Through revelations Allah has been drawing human attention to things so that people are stimulated to explore things and grow both physically and mentally. So the revelations by Allah played a huge role in helping humanity to be what it is though people did not make full use of it so far otherwise world could have been in a much better state than it is.

To address questions about quranic transmission is also important. The fact is, the quran we have today is the same as the one the messenger of Allah left behind. it is because the transmission of the quran has been flawless. The quran came to us in three different ways independent of each other. In form of written text that has been copied from written copies. In form of memorised words through hufaaz and in form of meanings of the words used in the text. You cannot write the quran out of memory nor memorise it from written text without differences due to nature of the arabic language the way it is due to its origin, development and progress as well as its working. Because there is uniformity in memorised quran and written quranic copies that proves it beyond a shadow of doubt the quran was transmitted flawlessly. It is because the way arabic was written in ancient times people could not memorise the quran as a uniform recitation from their individual writings due to interchanging in letters and likewise they could not write it from memory as a uniform text due to various ways of writing the same words. This is why to claim the quran was not a written down text in the time of the prophet falls flat on its face.

Anyone who knows about origin of language and its development knows that arabic uses a letter replacement idea in words a lot. It is because arabic is a relatively new language as compared to its sister or ancestral languages such as aramaic, hebrew, ugaritic, phoenician, syriac, akkadian etc. Since arabic comes from other languages so it borrows words from them therefore it ends up using multiple roots to express the very same concept due to transliteration problems between languages. For example, word MAKKAH is also called BAKKAH why? Because these two words arabic borrowed from two or more different languages. It is like word PARAAN and FARAAN. In persian both sounds exists ie P as well as F but in arabic P sound does not exist so the arabs use their own closely resembling sound P which is F. So while persians say PARAAN arabs say FARAAN. The same is case with word PAKISTAN ie arabs say BAKISTAN ie they replace P with B.

This problem exists between languages as a matter of fact. It is also a matter fact that languages have been borrowing from each other heavily. In some cases one language has borrowed from another language directly but in other cases indirectly ie first a word was borrowed by one language so it was modified to suit use of that language and then from that language it was borrowed by another language and was modified to make it suitable for use in that language. So depending on from how many different languages a word has been borrowed by a borrowing language it became pronounced and written in different ways in the very same language that borrowed it and this is the case in case of arabic language as well. In arabic letters like TAA, SAA and TWAA are interchangeable because they sound very close. Likewise letter BAA, FAA, MEEM and WOW are interchangeable. The case is same with letters SEEN and SWAAD or letter ZAAL, ZAA, ZWAAD and ZOE, ZWAAD however can also be interchanged with letter DAAL. Same is problem with letter KHAA, QAAF and KAAF. HAA and HAA etc etc. Over a period of time in arabic itself letters and pronunciations became standardised but transliteration problems between different languages remain the same even today. Arabs did not modify their language beyond 28 letters or with HAMZAH 29 letter symbols. The quranic text is based upon that standard. There has been no modification in number of letters since the revelation of the quran. So long as quran remains in existence and people keep adhering to it there will not be any modification in arabic language of that nature which changes it completely into a modern lanaguge breaking its ties with its past like other languages. However borrowing between arabic and newer languages continues even today and so it continues between other languages as well.

The purpose of this explanation was to show why arabic has more than one root set for a word in some cases. For example, let us take word KITAAB. It has only one root in arabic ie KAAF, TAA and BAA. However this is not the case with word ISRAA. This word has a few roots ie SEEN, RAA and WOW; SEEN RAA and YAA; SEEN, WOW and RAA; and SEEN, YAA and RAA. In ancient times all arabs moved away from each other so they were not one people living in one and the same place speaking exactly the very same kind of arabic even though originally they come from the very same ancestors. Human race is originally one race that comes from same ancestors but people moved away from each other as their needs and situations or circumstances demanded or dictated. After separating each people kept on inventing more things and words to talk about them so today people have come together again but they speak very many different languages from what they learned from their original ancestors though some of the word we can still make out among all people because they remained unchanged or suffered less change despite transliteration. Likewise arabs even though were same people but they moved away from each other and then they were united and there were differences between their spoken and written language of this nature because each group borrowed from other people of other languages they were in contact with as they needed. All this explanation in my view was necessary to come to the point because it will help people understand something I am going to explain about the originality of the quranic text.

As explained above a lot of words in arabic are written using different letters. For example, let us take word SIRAAT. In arabic language word SIRAAT is written in two ways ie using SEEN as its first letter or SWAAD. In some places people write word SIRAAT using letter SWAAD and in others using letter SEEN so word SIRAAT has two roots ie SWAAD, RAA and TWAA and SEEN, RAA and TWAA. If we read the quranic text, no where in the quran word SIRAAT is written with letter SEEN at the beginning and everywhere in the quran word SIRAAT is always written with letter SWAAD. You will agree that if the quran did not come down in written form and people made copies out of their memories then we ought to find that some copies of the quran ought to have in them word siraat written with letter swaad and in others word siraat written with letter seen. In fact each copy was bound to have letters seen and swaad in different places compared to each other. Since all copies of the quran to date contain this word written only and only by using letter swaad then how do we explain this consistency unless people were given a copy of the quran in writing to copy the written text from it exactly as it was? Let me explain this in another way in english. If I dictated to a mixed group of people from different countries in different places to write down word MUHAMMAD, will they all write it exactly as I have it in my mind or will they do it the way they know it according to their own life experiences in their own places? An italian person will write muhammad the way he thinks and an english person will write it the way he thinks and a french person will write it the way he thinks etc etc. Some will end up writing muhammad others mohammed and yet others mohamed and so on and so forth. Word SIRAAT is not the only one but there are dozens of such words used in the text of the quran throughout the text of the quran and they have been transmitted constantly exactly the same. It should leave no doubt in one's mind that the quran was transmitted both in written and spoken form right from the day one otherwise the differences between copies that still exist in the world will have been unimaginable due to nature of the arabic language.

The other thing in the quran is letters in the beginning of some surahs. Some of them if were not pronounced as well as written they could confuse people as to they were words or separate letters eg take surah two verse one letters ALIF, LAAM and MEEM. The way they are written in surahs they could be taken for meaningful words because there is a word in arabic which is pronounced ALAM eg see in surah 94 verse one.

Yet other evidence is the fact that the very first verse of the quran is always written the very same way ie BISMILLA HIRRAHMAA NIRRAAHEEM. It is written with 19 letters in it always whereas it can be written with a few more letter eg ALIF in ISM of BISMILLAH is MISSING. Word ISM is written in surah 96 verse one with ALIF. Anyone will find that all copies of the quran throughout the world are written exactly that way. Had each person someone dictated the quranic text out of memeory and each person wrote it down the way one knew then we ought to see very many differences in written texts of this nature but there are none.

All copies of the quran have no bismillah at the start of surah nine. Had people made copies as they liked then we will have found variations between them some including and some excluding letters, words and verses in the text. So there is water tight evidence that the quran as we have it was written down by the prophet himself and handed down to his people before he passed away. He actually delivered the message of Allah as it was supposed to be delivered ie in recitation and writing otherwise he could not have been chosen as a messenger by Allah. Even we humans do not choose bad workers for getting our works done if we can help it so how could Allah be expected to do such a silly thing as choose someone unfit for the job? That will have ruined the whole purpose and plan of Allah for humanity. Had prophet himself not left the quran behind and the people at the time fully accepting it they could have ended up divided about it right from the very beginning for ever and none could have united them on the basis of the quran after the prophet. Today whatever else muslims do they have only one quran and copies of the quran are available throughout the world even from long time in the past. According to some claims we have copies of the quran even from the time very near to the time of the prophet. Unfortunately muslims are not good at preservations, observations, research and explorations. It is a miracle in itself for quran to have survived intact till now somehow. The way people claiming to be muslims are busy killing each other it is not going to take very long before they are all gone. Any remaining ones will be done away with by kufaar. But then Allah has a plan of his own so we will come to know whatever awaits for us good or bad. Muslims fight among themselves due to their ignorance and stupidity and not because there is anything wrong with the quran.

Please do note that scribal errors are there in the hand written copies of the quran and so are there printing errors in printed copies but they should not be taken seriously as human errors are human nature. These errors if I sit down with copies of the quran can find and correct but I will not do so nor advise anyone else because that will be tempering with original copies that are historical documents of huge value. However since we are aware of these like errors therefore we should not let them through to newer copies we make through future media that is more capable of helping us for coping with this task. Moreover when we talk to people about errors in the quranic text we should never claim that there are no human errors in the copies of the quran. Such errors have no affect upon the actual message of the quran.

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The problem with claims of all western scholars of the quran is they are not aware of certain facts about the quran due to which they have no idea what the deen of islam actually is. Their biggest problem is mullahs who had no sense and who misinterpreted the actual quranic text and misrepresented it and their whole responses are in that context. A true scholar of the quran will separate the quran from its followers and look at it as a document in its own right and see what it says afresh according to rules explained above by myself very clearly. If they did not find the model of real islam in the quran that could not be defeated then they had the right to claim all those things they claim about the quran.

They assume right from the very beginning that the message of the quran is what people who claim to be muslims say they believe it to be. This means they are not examining the text of the quran but what people claim about the text as to what it means. It shows their scholarship is not up to standard the quran requires for its scrutinizer or cross examiner or criticiser. This only proves their ignorance and stupidity or ulterior motives just like rulers, money lenders and mullahs or both.

1) Questions have been raised by muslims and nonmuslims alike whether it is possible to translate the quranic text perfectly. What has been explained about the nature of the language in sense of its origin, development and the way it works and what is explained about role of God and role of humanity should leave one in no doubt that it is not possible for humanity to interpret the message of God precisely ever. The main reason is difference between the knowledge of God and knowledge of people. However, it is very much possible for all practical purposes for people to know and teach the message of the quran to each other with a degree of accuracy in sense of its purpose, which is mainly guidance of mankind to some degree. So any claim that anyone ever knew the quran perfectly is a false claim. Even the messengers of Allah only came to know as much of the revelation of Allah as was humanly possible for them according to their own time and place. All one can say is that they knew the message maximum possible at the time or that no one knew the message as good as the messengers of Allah at the time. Any claim about any messenger of Allah about knowing things beyond human capability is attributing falsehood to the messengers of Allah. In deen of Allah there is no such thing as personality cult. It is because the reference is always the revealed scripture from Allah not any particular person be one a messenger of Allah. It is because only Allah is free of making any mistakes so only his message can be free of all errors.

As for human beings they cannot be declared free of human errors but one can say they never did anything deliberately wrong if they were true followers of the word of Allah. This is why they cannot be the reference point. In the quran Allah talks about prophet ibraheem as an exemplary messenger of Allah and he is said to be leader of mankind but only so far as his following of the message of Allah. Even when he asks Allah about his biological and ideological children to be made leaders of mankind, he is told very clearly that yes but only if they also followed message of Allah like you. The idea that quran asks people to follow any messenger of Allah as a model in his own right is attributing falsehood to Allah and his messengers. This is a very important and a decisive point for all people to pay their attention to and who wish to know the message of the quran properly. A clear proof that deen of islam is not a personality cult as claimed by mullahs of various sects. This is why the primary source of information about deen of islam is the Quran not the ahaadith attributed to the messenger of Allah nor the information passed down the generations of muslims in form of books of fiqh= the so called islamic jurisprudence. This does not mean the books of hadith or fiqh are not important but only as secondary sources to the quran. The main reason for that is the status or position of the quran in deen of islam. The quran is taken as word of Allah, the master of the universe and all that exists. He is sole ruler of it by right of its ownership. This being the case no human being should claim nor should be accepted as an authority on equal footing with Allah. All human beings be they messengers of Allah are still his creatures and not Gods in their own rights so people cannot be given same status as that of Allah.

2) When it comes to interpretation of the quran, as explained already it must be interpreted mainly in context of its language and its purpose in light of self evident facts or in light of real world realities ensuring that one does not introduce contradictions within the testament of Allah or between the testament of Allah and self evidence facts or real world realities when the quran claims to be free of such contradictions and tells mankind to check it against real world realities to see how consistent it is. That means people who sit down to interpret the quranic text must first be familiar with things the quran is talking about because if anyone will try to interpret the quran not knowing the required information for doing this job then such a person will make tonnes of mistakes and if such mistakes are passed onto people as the message of Allah then it could have serious consequences for humanity as a whole even if such mistakes are result of an innocent adventure by a person. It is because people who accept the message will not be accepting the message of the quran but its inaccurate translation which will be a false teaching in its name and by acting upon it one will do things that could end up harming oneself and others.

Likewise people who will reject the message due to mistakes in it will be rejecting it as the message of the quran thinking it is the true message of Allah which it is not so they will remain away from the true guidance of Allah. The consequences will be serious because the result will be more and more divisions among people of the book and more and more people will move away from the book and as people remain divided the more and more fights and wars will continue between people because of wrong interpretations of the message. So one can see what is at stake if things were not done the right way. However this will be taken advantage of by those who want things to be that ie rulers, money lenders, mullahs, their touts and supporters due to their ignorance and stupidity as well as arrogance ie due to their sense of dominating others by undermining them so that they could use and abuse them at will. In short such people will try their best to use the scripture as a tool for manipulating mankind to fulfil their own objectives thereby.

3) It is very important that when we talk about islam we have some understanding of the actual situation. The main issue when we discuss islam is, what do we take islam for ie a set of make beliefs and some useless rituals for individuals or a program for mankind for accomplishing some goals according to some guidelines as a proper human community based upon quranic constitution and law for running a kingdom in the name of Allah according to his guidance?

Anyone who takes islam as a religion has to answer a main question, why there are guidelines for a constitution and laws for organisation and regulation of human society? What has praying to with God and with running of a kingdom or a community? It is because religion is all about individuals having some so called beliefs and doing some acts of so called worship as one sees fit. It is not anyone's business what anyone else believes or does because it is a private affair between a person and his God. The main question one has to ask oneself is, does islam fit this category? My answer is very clear that islam does not fit this category therefore I do not accept islam is a religion nor should anyone who knows the quran better.

All people who have learned some sense and have studied the quran for knowing islam believe that islam is not only about God and man but about God and man as well as about humanity as a whole. In other words islam is a way of life that leads mankind to an end that is set by Allah for mankind. It is the main reason why islam is called deenillah or sabeelillah or ADDEEN or deen of islam ie the way of life advised for mankind by Allah for a blissful, dignified and secure existence. All this explains why Allah advised this way of life for mankind.

Since in my understanding of the quran islam is not a religion therefore any argument over religion of islam is a nonsense and shows a person is totally confused about islam be one a person who claims to be a muslim or a nonmuslims. The main thing is that anyone who thinks islam is a religion must first prove islam is a religion before one accepts it or rejects it or raises any objection against it. In other words there is no sense in talking about islam as a religion because it is not a religion so why waste time and energy on something that is not really there. I therefore oppose any person who claims islam is a religion regardless one claims to be a muslim or happens to be a nonmuslim. I want such a person to prove from the quran that his claim is right about islam that it is only a system of some beliefs and some rituals that have nothing at all to do with real world realities. It is because religion cannot be but a private matter for an individual and his God whereas the quran is very clear that islam is not a private affair of an individual and his God. This is why in my view islam is a deen. Since it is a deen so all need to understand it as such regardless they claim to be muslims or happen to be nonmuslims. So all questions about deen of islam are to be asked and answered in that context.

Since islam is a deen sent by Allah therefore it is a program from Allah for mankind for accomplishing some goals according to his provided guidelines. Since it is a program for mankind therefore the message of the quran must be taken to all people in the world so that they have a look at it and think it over and if they like what they are told they come together to form a community network on basis of a constitution and its laws as par guidelines provided in the quran. This is the context in which people need to understand islamic shariah or law or jurisprudence. It is in this context one must come to know the procedure for writing a constitution or forming a law. This is why individuals need to know the quran and have their opinions and arguments to back them up but it is the ummah that is to decide together what is to be the correct interpretation of the book and arrive at a consensus after having the knowledge needed for interpreting the quran properly. Unless it is ummah that accepts a constitution or a law as a whole, it cannot be called an islamic law or shariah. From this procedure it should be very clear why fatwas by ignorant, illiterate and uneducated foolish individuals mean nothing at all in proper context of deen of islam in light of the quran. One must remember that a constitution or any laws must be accepted by all in the ummah freely after at least a simple properly educated lmajority agrees upon them. None is supposed to accept any constitution or law that goes against the stated goals and guidelines of the quran. Before people sit down to argue over what the constitution or law should be they must have good ideas what are goals they want to achieve or accomplish as an ummah and what are the guidelines so that no clause is put in the constitution that is in conflict with the aims and the objectives of the constitution.

In other words a constitution needs to be written with declared objectives right at the top of the document. Since aims and objectives are the starting point of written constitution so all clauses that follow must be in line or consistent with these objectives otherwise the so called constitution or law will not be worth the paper it is written upon. Once a constitution is structured with all its clauses as a complete document with all the needed laws regarding institutions, office bearers and individuals and groups in the ummah then ummah as a whole must examine it with care and see if any mistake has been made in constructing this document before it is ratified and implemented by the ummah. If anything important is left out or something has been added which is not right then changes can be made in the constitution or law even after ratification but each time any change has been made it must be put before ummah and accepted by it otherwise the document will become invalid as a constitution or law. I have already explained what are the aims and objectives or goals set for ummah to accomplish and what are guidelines here and there so no point in repeating all this in here.

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2013-06-21T13:36:44+03:00 2013-06-21T13:36:44+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=1526&p=7009#p7009 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Christian women forced to parade naked]]>

LAHORE: Christian women were attacked and paraded naked by a mob with the support of the ruling party, said a press released issued by the Asian Human Rights Commission (AHRC).

Three Christian women – Arshad Bibi, Sajida Bibi and Sauriya Bibi – the daughter-in-laws of Sadiq Masih, a resident of Sereser Chak No 21, Kasur, were brutally beaten and then paraded naked by armed men employed by Muhammad Munir, the son of Abdul Rasheed, a landlord who has the support of the ruling party, the PML-N. The incident occurred on the night of June 3 when the male members of the family were attending to their jobs. The attackers, armed with weapons and batons, were able to enter the house by scaling the boundary wall and unlocking the gate from the inside. At that time, the women were sleeping in the house along with their father-in-law Sadiq Masih, 73, and mother-in-law Rani Bibi, 70.

The mob, lead by Muhammad Munir, Abrahim, Muhammad Rafique and their sons Ahmed, Asif, Abid, Wassem, Waqas and Shabir and three unidentified persons, entered the house. When the attackers invaded the house, they started looking for the sons of Sadiq Masih, checking all the rooms and throwing their belongings about. When they could not find his sons, they started beating the three women.

The party workers then took the three Christian women out into the street where the lights were on and tore their clothes off.

Then they started shouting to attract the attention of the people nearby, to let them see the extent of the revenge and the power of the landlord. Nobody dared to stop them as the attackers were holding weapons. Due to the victim’s screaming and shouting, some elderly people of the village came out and put their turbans on the feet of the attackers as a sign of high respect and honour. After this, the attackers released the women but threatened the villagers that if they complained about the incident they would face more trouble.

While this was going on, somebody called in the police, and after much time the officers arrived. Instead of taking action against the attackers, the police tried to calm down the mob, which was protesting against the incident.

The cause of the incident was apparently that on two occasions some goats belonging to the Christians had entered the fields of the landlord, Munir, who claimed that they had damaged his crops. As the goats belonged to the Christians, Munir confiscated them.

On the morning of the incident, Shaukat, the son of Sadiq Masih, approached Munir in the company of his sisters-in-law and requested him to release their goats. Munir refused to do so and stared beating him. Munir slapped him many times and cursed him. When Shoukat, in retaliation, slapped him back, Munir became furious and threatened him. It was this incident that lead to the revenge attack. At this time, they also injured Sadiq Masih, who received several injuries to his leg.

On June 4, Advocate Sardar Mushtaq Gill, National Director at LEAD (Legal Evangelical Association Development) was informed by Rev Saleem Gill to give legal aid and assistance to the harassed family. Advocate Gill visited the victims and collected the details of the case and approached the Pattoki deputy superintendent of police (DSP) for the registration of a case. Consequently, an FIR was registered against the landlord and his henchmen under numbers 231/13 of Section 452, 354, 337/FI, 149,148 of the Pakistan Penal Code (PPC). The victims received a certificate from the Punjab Health Department mentioning the injuries that they suffered, but the police did not take action against the perpetrators, either for the humiliation of parading the women naked or the violence perpetrated on them.

Instead, the police quickly filed a case against the Christians under FIR 234/13 under sections 440, 379, 148 and 149 of the PPC on behalf of the landlord. This came as no surprise to the victims as it is a common practice of the local Muslims to create pressure on the Christian community to withdraw FIRs. One member of the National Assembly, Rana Ishaq, from the ruling party, the PML-N, is forcing the police not to act against the perpetrators, as they are also supporters of the ruling party.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2013\06\20\story_20-6-2013_pg7_5#.UcNB5Q6RrJI.twitter

Statistics: Posted by semirza — Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:36 pm


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2013-06-05T13:40:04+03:00 2013-06-05T13:40:04+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=1354&p=6847#p6847 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Re: Does "Online" Discussion Help?]]>
Our bias for a person, party, school of thought just blinds us, it’s like we come to discussion with doors to brain completely shut and just seeing and listening and filtering out anything that does not match our opinion, we just come to force our opinions on others and not to listen or learn.

We have been infected with this virus to an extent that even in cases where hardcore facts and statistics are presented painting a picture that doesn’t match what we have created in our minds, we just shut it out

Even after realising this and assessing and reassessing my opinions very often I find myself unconsciously doing the same at times – shutting out what I don’t want to believe

Statistics: Posted by anasyounus — Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:40 pm


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2013-04-19T21:59:09+03:00 2013-04-19T21:59:09+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=1354&p=6299#p6299 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Does "Online" Discussion Help?]]> Specially the discussions on the INTERNET have been totally pointless(I do not mean this forum as here we almost share the same ideology). Which made me decide not to be a part of it anymore.
I'm highly convinced that most of the Paksitani based INTERNET forums are full with slackers,who during their office timings come on these forums spit out their filth and then return home in "tranquility" at the end of the day.
I don't see any way to fight this.For them this is just a game,but for those who really mean what they say ,its a pit-hole.
Is there any point in arguing them?

Statistics: Posted by Holly Flame — Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:59 pm


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2013-04-19T21:24:36+03:00 2013-04-19T21:24:36+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=1278&p=6298#p6298 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Re: اندھے]]> I think you have highly exaggerated my telling. If you find it worthy of translating,please feel free to do so.

Statistics: Posted by Holly Flame — Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:24 pm


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2013-04-19T16:24:22+03:00 2013-04-19T16:24:22+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=1278&p=6292#p6292 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Re: اندھے]]>
Brother,

Your writings are inspiring as well as an eye opener for sure. I wish I am able to translate your highly prized writings from Urdu to English, just because our most learned membership is based away from Pakistan and they really do experience difficulty to interpret the true meaning. If you would allow me, I am eager to try a hand translating (not transliterating) so that our honorary members are able to get the gist of what you are talking about.

I am working on ways to integrate this service into our website so that there remains no bar understanding urdu to english or english to urdu...

Statistics: Posted by semirza — Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:24 pm


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2013-03-25T22:21:34+03:00 2013-03-25T22:21:34+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=1278&p=6087#p6087 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Re: اندھے]]>

Statistics: Posted by Holly Flame — Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:21 pm


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2013-03-25T15:44:49+03:00 2013-03-25T15:44:49+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=1278&p=6082#p6082 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Re: اندھے]]> Blinds, is an interesting narration of our decadent society, where the greed and violance is wide spread.
Thanks for sharing!
It would be nice if semirza sahib can start a new sub forum for the literary activities, also poetry, short stories and such.
I'm aware that there are already many sub forums but he can submerge the less frequented ones with others.

Statistics: Posted by resurrected — Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:44 pm


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2013-03-24T18:54:50+03:00 2013-03-24T18:54:50+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=1278&p=6073#p6073 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • اندھے]]> پہلا "سنا ہے تمہاری پروموشن ہو گئی ہے "
"نہیں یار تمہیں کس نے بتایا ؟"
"بس اڑتی اڑتی خبر سنی ہے"
اسپر دوسرے نے تا سف بھرے لہجے میں جواب دیا "نہیں ،ہر بار کوئی بڑی سفارش آڑے آ جاتی ہے "
"پچھلی مرتبہ تم نے کیا کیا تھا ؟"
"کرنا کیا تھا،پچھلے افسر کی ایک گاڑی کسٹم میں پھنسی تھی،جیسے ہی مجھے پتا چلا... ابا جی کی منت کر کے اسکا کام کرا دیا"نو جوان نے فخر سے جواب دیا،مگر پھر کچھ خیال آتے ہی اس کے چہرے پہ تاسف کے آثار نظر آے جیسے اسے اپنی اس بات پر پشیمانی ہو -
"تم تھوڑے پیسے کیوں خرچ نہیں کرتے ؟"پہلے نو جوان نے پوچھا -
"شاید اس دفعہ یہی کرنا پڑے"دوسرے نوجوان نے آہ بھری-
کچھ دیرخاموشی رہی-"کرپشن نے سارا نظام تباہ کر کے رکھ دیا ہے .....کوئی شریف آدمی اپنا جائز کام بھی جائز طریقے سے نہیں کرا سکتا"
"تم صحیح کہتے ہو"پہلے نے تائید کی-
تھوڑی دیر کے لیے دونوں خاموش ہو گئے اور پارک میں آنے جانے والے لوگوں کو دیکھنے لگے-ان میں زیادہ تر متوسط طبقے کے دفتری ملازم تھے جو دن بھر کی تکان دور کرنے ادھر چلے آے تھے-کچھ کے ہمراہ ان کے بیوی بچے بھی تھے.ان سب کے چہروں میں یکسانیت تھی،پریشانی اور تفکر کی لکیریں ان کی پیشانیوں پر نمایاں تھیں ،اس کے باوجود وہ مسکرا رہے تھے -دوسرا نوجوان بغور ان کے چہروں کو دیکھ رہا تھا ،جیسے وہ جانتا ہو کہ وہ کس عذاب سے گز رہے ہیں-
یکدم فقیر کی صدا بلند ہو گئی "دینے والے کی خیر ہو،خدا تمہاری آنکھیں سلامت رکھے"شاید کسی آنکھوں والے نے اس کی نابینگی دیکھ لی تھی -
ساتھ ہی ان دونوں کی توجہ فقیر کی طرف مبذول ہو گئی-
"یہ دیکھو"نو جوان فقیر کی طرف اشارہ کرتے ہوے بولا "ایک طرف ہم لوگ ہیں جو محنت مشقت کر کے کماتے ہیں،دوسری طرف یہ چور اچکے ہیں ....جنہوں نے سارے شہر پہ قبضہ جمایا ہوا ہے "
"ہو سکتا ہے یہ واقع ہی مجبور اور بے بس ہو"دوسرے نے فقیر کی طرفداری کرنا چاہی -
"نہیں میرے دوست ہرگز نہیں! میں ان لوگوں کو اچھی طرح جانتا ہوں......بھیک مانگنے کے لئے یہ ہر ذلیل ترین حرکت کرتے ہیں....اور تو اور اور اپنی سگی اولاد تک کو لنگڑا اور لولا کر کے شہر کے بازاروں میں ڈال آتے ہیں...."
"تم غربت بھی تو دیکھو جس نے لوگوں کو ایسی ذلیل اور گھٹیا حرکتوں پر مجبور کیا ہے "
اس پر نوجوان برہم ہو گیا،اسنے پہلے تو ان لوگوں کو تین چار غلیظ گالیاں دیں پھر کہنے لگا "اگر یہ ھڈ حراموں کی طرح اپنے گھروں میں نہ پڑے رہیں اور محنت مزدوری کرنے لگ جایں تو غربت بھی ختم ہو جاۓ …..ان -----کو کو گھروں میں بیٹھنے اور بچے پیدا کرنے کے علاوہ کوئی کام نہیں "
"تو قانون ان کا سدباب کیوں نہیں کرتا "اس نے کھوے کھوے لہجے میں کھا ،اسکا انداز صاف ظاہر کر رہا تھا کہ وہ پہلے ہی اسکا جواب جانتا ہے-
"قانون کی----"نوجوان جوابھی تک سیخ پا تھا اس نے قانون کو بھی بے نقط دو چار گالیاں دے ڈالیں اور کہا "جس منحوس اور ----- قانون کی تم بات کرتے ہو وہ ہم جیسے شریف لوگوں پر تو ہاتھ ڈالتا ہے،مگر ان کا علاج نہیں کرتا ،کونسا ایسا سرکاری محکمہ ہے جہاں دلالی نہیں ہوتی ،رشوت ،غبن ،سفارش کے نام پر سب اپنی عزتوں کے سر بازار دام لگاتے ہیں …..لیکن اگر میرے یا تمہارے جیسا کوئی معمولی بندہ ان کے ہتھے چڑھ جاے تو سب کے سامنے ننگا کر کے رخ دیتے ہیں "
دوسرا نوجوان کچھ نہ بولا -
پارک میں اب اندھیرا پھل رہا تھا ،اسوقت پارک میں آنے والوں کی نسبت پارک سے جانے والوں کی تعداد زیادہ تھی -عام دنوں میں میں پارک میں اس وقت لوگ زیادہ تعداد میں آتے تھے،مگر شہر میں چوری ڈکیتی کی بڑھتی ہی وارداتوں نے بہت کچھ بدل دیا تھا -فقیر بلا تردد وہیں بیٹھا تھا -بڑھتے ہوئے اندھیرے کے ساتھ ساتھ سناٹا بھی پھیلتا جا رہا تھا-
دوسرے نوجوان نے بڑھتی ہوئی خاموشی کو توڑ اور اپنے ساتھی سے مخاتب ہوا"تمہارے بھا ئی کے مقدمے کا کیا بنا ؟"
"کیا بننا تھا ...کمینے ڈی آئ جی نے خاندان بھر کو پریشان کر رکھا ہے "
"کیا مطلب؟تم نے تو بتایا تھا کے وہ تمہارے اب جی کا پرانا دوست ہے اس لئے تمہارے بھی کو زیادہ مسلہ نہیں ہوگا "نوجوان نے دلچسپی سے پوچھا -
"ہان مگر اس ذلیل آدمی پر آجکل زیادہ قانون پرستی کا بھوت سوار ہے .....کہہ رہا تھا کے کسی صورت بھی اس کو معاف نہیں کرے گا اور یہ کہ بڑے عرصے سے اس پر نظر رکھے ہوئے تھا"اسنے بالکل عام انداز میں جواب دیا -
"اور آئ جی ؟"
"وہ کہتا ہے کے اب بات بہت دور تک چلی گئی ہے ،اگر معاملہ چھوٹی موٹی رقم کا ہوتا تو شا ید وہ بات رفع دفع کرا دیتا مگر بات لاکھوں کی ہے"
"تمہارے ابا جی کو تمہارے بھائی کی حرکتوں کا علم تھا ؟"
"اگر ابا جی کو پتا ہوتا تو خود ہی اسے گولی مار دیتے ،لیکن جس طرح ڈی آئ جی نے ہمیں خاندان والوں کے سامنے ذلیل کرایا ہے ،اسکی وجہ سے اب اسکی رہائی ابا جی کی انا کا مسلہ بن گئی ہے "
"پھر اب تم لوگ کیا کرنے والے ہو ؟"
"ابا جی گواہوں سے رابطے میں ہیں ،تینوں نہایت غریب آدمی ہیں اس لئے امید ہے زیادہ دشواری نہیں ہوگی "
"اچھا ہے ...ان غریبوں کی بھی زنگی سنبھل جاۓ گی "نوجوان نے خشک لہجے میں کہا -
پہلے نوجوان نے اپنی گھڑی پر نظر ڈالی اور بولا "یار مجھے ایک ضروری کام نبٹانا ہے انشاللہ کل ملاقات ہوگی "
دونوں نے گرمجوشی سے ہاتھ ملاۓ اور نوجوان چلا گیا -دوسرا نوجوان وہیں بیٹھا رہا -
پارک میں اب برقی قمقمے روشن تھے- لوگوں کی تعداد بہت کم رہ گئی تھی،اکا دکا جو آدمی نظر آ جاتے وہ یا تو پارک کے مالی تھے یا دیہاڑی دار مزدور،جن کے پاس سر چھپانے کو کوئی ٹھکانہ نہ تھا-ان کو ڈاکوؤں سے کسی قسم کا کوئی خطرہ نہ تھا،اور ہوتا بھی کیوں ان کے پاس جان کے علاوہ تھا ہی کیا جو انہیں دے سکتے-فقیر بھی ابھی تک اپنی جگہ پر موجود تھا،اسکی آواز خاصی مدھم ہو گئی تھی ،تاہم جیسے ہی کوئی راہگیر یہ گاڑی قریب سے گزرتی اسکی طبیعت میں بھونچال آ جاتا -
نوجوان کی آنکھیں خلا میں گھور رہیں تھیں ،وہ کسی گہری سوچ میں ڈوبا ہوا تھا-اس کے چہرے کے تاثرات اسکے اندر چلنے والی جنگ کو صاف ظاہر کر رہے تھے-اسکے چہرے پر کرب اور تکلیف کے تاثرات ابھرے-خیالات کی تکلیف سے نجات پانے کے لئے اسنے ایک سگریٹ سلگا لی،بجاتے کش لگانے کے وہ کرسی سے ٹیک لگا کر اونگھنے لگا اسکو ہوش تب آیا جب ہوا سے تمباکو کی بو ختم ہوئی-
نوجوان نے گھڑی پر نظر ڈالی ،رات کے آٹھ بج چکے تھے -اٹھنے سے پہلے نوجوان نے اپنے اردگرد نظر ڈالی ،اور ایک سرد آہ بھری-پارک کے مرکزی دروازے سے گزرتے ہوئے اسکی نظر فقیر پر پڑی-نوجوان کے ذہن میں یکدم ایک خیال آیا،ساتھ ہی اسنے اپنی جیب سے بٹوہ نکالا اور تمام رقم فقیر کے سامنے پڑے کٹورے میں پھینک دی-رقم کے وزن سےکٹورے میں پیدا ہونی والی جھنجھناہٹ نے فقیر کو جھنجھوڑ ر دیا اور وہ بلند آواز میں نوجوان کو دعائیں دینے لگا "خدا تمہاری زندگی سلامت رکھے،خود تمہارے رزق میں برکت دے،خدا تمہاری آنکھیں محفوظ رکھے "
" شاید میری آنکھیں بھی ٹھیک ہو جایں " نوجوان نے وہاں سے گزرتے ہوئے دل میں سوچا -
اسکی کار پارکنگ کے آخری کونے میں کھڑی تھی جو مرکزی دروازے سے تقریبآ تین چارفرلانگ دور تھا-نوجوان ٹہلتا ہوا ہوا اپنی گاڑی تک پہنچا ،اس سے پہلے کے وہ جیب سے چابی نکلتا ایک موٹرسائیکل اسکے بالکل سامنے آ کر رکی -موٹر سائیکل پر دو نقاب پوش آدمی سوار تھے ،ان میں سے ایک نے نیچے اتر کر نوجوان پر اپنا ریوالور تان لیا
"اپنی نقدی میرے حوالے کر دو"
نوجوان بوکھلا گیا "مگر میرے پاس اسوقت تمہیں دینے کو کچھ نہیں ہے"
وہ سڑک رات کے اسوقت عموما سنسان ہوتی تھی،سات آٹھ ڈرائیوروں نے گزرتے ہوئے یہ منظر دیکھا مگر ڈر کے مارے کسی میں انکو روکنے کی ہمت نہ پڑی -
"میں کہتا ہوں رقم فورا میرے حوالے کر دو ورنہ میں تمہیں جان سے مار دونگا"یہ کہتے ہوئے نقاب پوش نے ریوالور اسکے چہرے کے سامنے لہرایا پھر اسکے سر کا نشانہ لیتے ہوئے آگے بڑھا-
گھبراہٹ میں نوجوان پیچھے کو ہٹا اور اسکا پیر کسی پھسلنے والی چیز پر جا پڑا -خوف کی وجہ سے نوجوان اپنا توازن قائم نہ رکھ سکا اور پشت کے بل گرا ،نقاب پوش نے گھبراہٹ میں گولی چلا دی،جو سیدھی نوجوان کی گردن پر لگی خوں کا ایک فوارہ ہوا میں بلند ہوا اور وہ تڑپنے سے پہلے ہی ٹھنڈا ہو گیا -
نقاب پوش نے ریوالور اپنی شرٹ کے نیچے چھپایا اور وہ دونوں اپنی موٹر سائیکل پر فرار ہو گئے -ریوالورپہ سائلنسر لگا ہونے کی وجہ سے زیادہ شور نہ ہوا-
حادثے کے تقریبا آدھے گھنٹے بعد ایک پیدل راہگیر کا ادھر سے گزر ہوا تو اسنے لاش دیکھتے ہی پولیس کو بلا لیا ،آدھے گھنٹے تک پولیس شواہد اکٹھے کرنے میں مصروف رہی اسکے بعد وہ لاش اور گاڑی لیکر چلے گئے-
رات کے تقریبا نو بجے تھے سڑک بالکل سنسان تھی،مگر فقیر ابھی تک دروازے کے ساتھ ٹیک لگاے بیٹھا تھا-ہر طرف مکمل سناٹا تھا -کبھی کبھار کسی کتے کے بھونکنے کی آواز سے یہ سکوت ٹوٹتا ،یا اگر کوئی گاڑی پارک کے مرکزی دروازے کے سامنے سے گزرتی تو فقیرکی صدا گونجتی "دینے والے کی خیر ہو،خدا تمہاری آنکھیں سلامت رکھے"-
PS:After a long leave from Internet Bloging,I finally decided to get it here."BLINDS" as it says , I think we all are.Enjoy Reading.

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2013-03-08T13:44:08+03:00 2013-03-08T13:44:08+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=1220&p=5887#p5887 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Re: A trip of hope to Thatta district]]> Statistics: Posted by Mirza Ghalib — Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:44 pm


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2013-03-01T09:19:13+03:00 2013-03-01T09:19:13+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=1220&p=5798#p5798 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • A trip of hope to Thatta district]]>
Vaqar Ahmed | 11th December, 2012

Last Sunday a friend invited me to go and see some of the rehabilitation work going on in the flood ravaged areas of Sindh. The work is being carried out by Karachi Relief Trust, a disaster management voluntary organisation, that has morphed into providing longer term solutions like re-building homes destroyed by the floods.

Armed with my camera and an extra battery I hopped into his car and we headed out towards Korangi then took the National Highway to Thatta district. Yes, I did need the extra battery; there was a lot to photograph!

Driving through fields of sugarcane and sunflowers, with a touch of serene blue provided by the shimmering fish ponds, it was difficult to imagine that last year the same area was submerged in flood water. Out of 1.7 million people in Thatta district, over 800,000 were directly affected and displaced by the floods. On the way we saw relief work being done by foreign and local organisations.

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The existing house is the one on the left. The new one being built is to the right.

We visited the villages of Suleiman Kehrai, Nodo-Baran and Jati-Angario. What was immediately obvious was the alternate forms of construction. The new stone houses consisted of two bedrooms, a kitchen and a bath whereas previously, the villagers were living in homes that were made of straw, bamboo and mud. These were vulnerable in the floods whereas, the new houses have a life expectancy of at least 75-100 years. In the event of future flooding, the occupants could flee but would have somewhere to return to after conditions improved instead of being displaced and forsaken by the state.

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New housing (under construction) is solidly built with stone.

The next village, Nodo-Baran, provided an example of the use of solar power. Eight solar panels mounted on a roof provided enough power to drive a motor. The motor in turn was hooked up to a pump that was pulling the water out of a borehole. The water was stored in an overhead tank. A piping network distributed water to the houses.

For lighting, each house was provided with two energy efficient bulbs that were powered by individual (thus very small) solar panels.

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Solar panels provide electricity for pumping sweet water from the borehole in the Nodobaran village.

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Solar power driven water pump.

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Proper sanitary drainage running water for the first time in the history of the village.

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This man said to me, “I had never even dreamt that one day there would be running water in my house”.

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Two bulbs – one for the verandah and one in a room provide light.

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Good housing, tranquil atmosphere. I felt like staying back!

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The villagers themselves added the columns, and they did look elegant.

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Many of the new houses in the village Jati-Angario are now occupied.

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The rehabilitation team has designed cowsheds on one side of the village and all the villagers tie their cattle there. This gives the village a very clean look.

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Using wood to cook food is relatively inefficient.

Instead of using primitive stoves that do not have a chimney to direct the smoke, KRT is currently designing a stove that would be heat efficient and will have a chimney. The design will be simple so that the villagers can manufacture it themselves.

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A very pleasant boy, who just smiled when I said hello to him.

On the whole the atmosphere of the villages was quite inviting. The residents greeted us with warmth and mutual respect. There was in them a tangible, saturated sense of gratitude towards the relief workers.

The children appeared healthy and well fed. I chatted with the children but my lack of Sindhi was a handicap. When I said hello to the boy in the picture above, he just smiled and remained silent. I was later told he was born dumb. While distressed by this information, I was heartened to hear one of the senior KRT person instruct the local project manager to organise a medical check up of all the children in the village next week. He felt that if there is early detection of a problem, it could be mitigated.

While the villagers seemed healthy, their use of gutka (an addictive and carcinogenic form of tobacco) is a serious threat. Every man, woman and child is consuming this poison. As a shopkeeper in the nearby town put it, “In other places a newborn is given milk, here they give him gutka”.
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Kids being enlightened on the evils of gutka.

An interesting idea explored during the trip was fish farming. Quick economic calculations indicated that it could be an excellent source of income for the villagers.

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A small fish farm operated by a villager.

This trip was a big dose of optimism for me. With the thick clouds of despair so ubiquitous in Pakistan, the tenacity of the flood victims, the generosity of the donors and the dedication, planning, discipline and compassion of the doers will keep my spirits up and the hope for the future of Pakistan alive.

Photograpghs by Vaqar Ahmed.
The author is an engineer turned part-time journalist who likes to hang out at unfashionable places like shrines, railway stations and bus stops.
http://dawn.com/2012/12/11/a-trip-of-ho ... -district/

Hats off to Mr Vaqar Ahmed for showing us there is something positive being done for the flood victims.

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2013-02-11T13:25:13+03:00 2013-02-11T13:25:13+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=1157&p=5575#p5575 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Ghalib's letters: an important source]]>
11.02.13

From the Newspaper | Rauf Parekh

FEBRUARY 15 marks the death anniversary of Mirza Asadullah Khan Ghalib, one of Urdu’s most celebrated and accomplished poets. But Ghalib’s great legacy includes his Urdu letters, too. His letters are yet another reflection of his genius and wit.

There are many aspects of Ghalib’s Urdu letters that scholars have been deliberating on. Before Ghalib, in the subcontinent letters were normally written in Persian. Letters occasionally written in Urdu were laden with highly ornamental language and long and tortuous salutations and formalities. Rajab Ali Baig Suroor is the first person to have written letters in Urdu and the collection of his Urdu letters was published under title ‘Insha-i-Suroor’. But Ghalib entirely changed the way letters were written. Aside from being in Urdu, Ghalib’s letters are spontaneous, candid and in a language that is chaste and literary. He bade farewell to the formal style of letter-writing that was in vogue in those days and began writing letters in quite an informal way.

When we read his letters today, they sound contemporary as far as the style is concerned and it feels as if a close friend is talking in a casual manner.

Ghalib himself claimed that he had turned ‘murasla’ (letter-writing) into ‘mukalma’ (dialogue). It was a departure from formal, classical style of Urdu prose that favoured more formal and ornamental expressions.

In fact, Ghalib’s letters are specimens of exquisite Urdu prose. Ghalib’s earliest Urdu letter discovered so far is dated 1847 and is addressed to Mirza Tafta. At that time poetry was a more favoured form of expression in Urdu and modern Urdu prose was beginning to take shape. Ghalib’s letters with Sir Syed Ahmed Khan’s essays are the most important landmarks in the history of modern Urdu prose.

Ghalib’s bubbling wit and a keen sense of humour made these letters good examples of humour in prose, too. Ghalib’s humour is quite different from his predecessors’. He knows how to laugh at himself. Also, some of his letters carry important information about his own life and works. Letters that debate literary issues are quite large in number. Many of them discuss Urdu orthography and lexicography or give critical opinion about some Persian or Urdu literary works.

The revolution of 1857 that ended the Mughal rule over India broke out right before Ghalib’s eyes.

He was in Delhi, the nerve centre of the revolution. Some of his letters are an invaluable source of contemporary historical events, especially the 1857 war of freedom and its aftermath. Some letters reflect his anguish over the demolition of some of Delhi’s buildings at the hands of the triumphant British troops. In one of his letters addressed to Mir Mehdi Majrooh he announces the death of the last Mughal emperor Bahadur Shah Zafar with these words: “On Friday, November 7, this year, Abu Zafar Sirajuddin Bahadur Shah’s soul was freed from the British prison as well as from the bodily prison”.

The two collections of Ghalib’s letters are named ‘O’od-i-Hindi’ and ‘Urdu-i-Mu’alla’. The former was published about four months before Ghalib’s death in February 1869. The latter appeared just 19 days after Ghalib’s death. But Ghalib had written a large number of letters and these two collections did not include all his letters. Since discovery of Ghalib’s unpublished letters continued long after his death, it was felt that his letters must be compiled anew. Munshi Mahesh Prasad was the first who decided that Ghalib’s each and every letter, published or unpublished, was to be collected and published.

He worked very hard to compile the letters on the principles of textual criticism as the text of many letters published lacked authenticity and many errors had crept in.

The first volume of Ghalib’s letters compiled by Munshi Mahesh Prasad appeared in 1941 and he was working on the second volume when bells tolled for him. After him, Ghulam Rasool Mehr compiled Ghalib’s letters and published them in two volumes in 1951 from Lahore.

But, according to Dr Khaleeq Anjum, this edition too had many inaccuracies. Imtiaz Ali Khan Arshi also edited and published some letters and titled them ‘Makateeb-i-Ghalib’.

There were some other scholars as well who compiled Ghalib’s different Urdu letters but there was not one edited collection that could be described as ‘authentic and free from discrepancies’. Finally, Khlaeeq Anjum decided to take this monumental task in his hands and began compiling each and every letter of Ghalib keeping in view the principles of textual criticism and taking utmost care. After working on the project for 17 years, he compiled the entire body of Ghalib’s discovered Urdu letters in four volumes and named them ‘Ghalib ke khutoot’. Anjuman Taraqqi-i-Urdu Hind published this definitive text from Delhi and Pakistan’s Anjuman Taraqqi-i-Urdu reproduced them.

The fifth volume presents all the letters of the four volumes in chronological order since the four volumes present the letters according to the addressees. The preface to these volumes penned by Khaleeq Anjum is yet another remarkable work. He has taken all the aspects into account and the preface is a scholarly book unto itself.

A critic has said that if you want to learn how to write good Urdu prose, devote your nights to the study of Ghalib’s letters. What better way can there be to pay homage to Ghalib on his death anniversary?

http://dawn.com/2013/02/11/ghalibs-lett ... al-source/

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ISLAMABAD: Over 100 literary figures boycotted the inaugural ceremony of an international writers’ conference after waiting for security clearance for over two hours outside the Prime Minister Secretariat on Thursday.

About 400 literary figures were to attend the two-day conference “Literature and democracy” organised by Pakistan Academy of Letters (PAL).

Prime Minister Raja Pervez Ashraf was to inaugurate the conference at the National Library at 10:30am. However, when the participants reached the venue they were informed that for security reasons the inaugural ceremony would be held inside the PM Secretariat.

Around 11am, when the literary personalities reached outside the auditorium of the PM Secretariat, they were asked to stand in a queue for security clearance. The security clearance process was so slow that many participants, particularly those in their 60s or 70s, became exhausted. The security personnel were allowing two people into the hall after about five minutes.

Farooq Sarwar, who had come from Quetta, said he could not bear the agonising situation and decided to boycott the ceremony. Pashto poets left in anger because it was too humiliating, he said.

Unable to stand on the queue, some of the literary personalities were seen sitting on the grass near the parking area.

Poet Qayyum Merawat said he could not tolerate such a humiliation and decided to boycott the ceremony. Khalil Babar, Naseebullah Semab, Adeel Wazir, Ali Akbar Natiq and others also left without attending the event.

Dr Thang, a Chinese professor, reportedly requested the security officials to allow him in but to no avail. Renowned poet Amjad Islam Amjad said the mismanagement showed how our government worked. Politicians have no respect for literary persons, he complained while talking to Dawn outside the venue.

“In 1992, a delegation of Pakistani literary personalities, including me, went to China. At that time, Dr Thang, who is a professor at the Beijing University, was our interpreter. Wherever we went we got great respect from the Chinese politicians and literary personalities. The attitude of our security officials with Dr Thang is unfortunate,” he said.Amjad Islam added: “I am standing in the queue for over one-and-a-half hours and still there is long way to go. This is not the way to deal with literary personalities,” he said.

Columnist and poet Ataul Haq Qasmi said luckily he was allowed to enter the PM Secretariat gate in his car so he would be sitting in the vehicle for two hours before being allowed entry into the conference hall.

“Although I am in favour of democracy, most of the things on the credit of the government are negative,” he said.

About the situation, he said: “Ham tamasha ahl-i-karam dekh rahay hain.”

Saadullah Shah, a poet and author of 35 books, said literary personalities were not eager to meet the prime minister. “In fact, most of us do not want to meet him but still we have been brought to the PM Secretariat. The government officials are humiliating us,” he said.

Columnist and poet Dr Ajmal Niazi said though the country was founded for the poor, corrupt, incompetent and fake degree holders are ruling us. They have no respect for literary persons.”

Ali Yasir, the media coordinator for PAL, said due to security reasons the inaugural ceremony was shifted to the PM Secretariat and security officials did all that.

Chaudhry Maqbool, the media coordinator for the Press Information Department (PID), said he was helpless and could do nothing.

At around 1:30pm, Prime Minister Ashraf came to the auditorium and told the participants that Pakistan was in a state of war and only the vision of its writers and intellectuals can help the country cope with the challenges.

He announced Rs30 million for the construction of an auditorium at PAL, increased the amount of “Kamal-i-Fun” award from Rs0.5 million to Rs1 million. He also raised the stipend for literary persons from Rs5,000 to Rs7,000.

http://dawn.com/2013/01/11/unlettered-s ... y-figures/

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2013-01-05T04:55:38+03:00 2013-01-05T04:55:38+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=1022&p=5049#p5049 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Re: Congress Member Accused of Rape, Stripped & Beaten]]>
While the New Delhi gang rape case has resulted in outrage that has spilled into the streets across the border, the plight of women who have faced rape and sexual assault in Pakistan has been largely confined to formulaic articles in the press, slow-moving cases in the courts, and frequent dropped charges due to bribes, threats of further violence and family pressure on the victim to avoid further ‘shame’.

In 2012, The Express Tribune covered over 150 reports on cases of rape and their follow-ups across the country, but the actual number of incidents is likely much higher as the stigma of rape, treatment meted out by police officials and low prosecution rates makes this crime largely unreported.

While statistics are few and far between, according to a November report by the Awaz Foundation Centre for Development, as many as 2,713 cases of violence against women have been reported in 15 districts of southern Punjab since January 2012, giving some measure of the scale of the issue.

As such, the reports below can only be considered a small snapshot of the violence being wrought on the women of Pakistan.
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http://tribune.com.pk/story/486966/paki ... -timeline/

The link above gives details of all the cases that are mentioned in the Express Tribune.

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2013-01-04T22:04:59+03:00 2013-01-04T22:04:59+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=1022&p=5041#p5041 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Re: Congress Member Accused of Rape, Stripped & Beaten]]> In India or Pakistan this social evil prevails in our societies from bottom up-till the top brass. All rape convicts should be castrated with no consideration as a first or second offense when their animal behavior has already printed terror for ever in the minds of their victims; a memory they cannot and never ever be able to shake off their conscious or sub-conscious minds.

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2013-01-05T04:46:13+03:00 2013-01-04T21:50:50+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=1022&p=5039#p5039 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Re: Congress Member Accused of Rape, Stripped & Beaten]]> Statistics: Posted by aftab — Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:50 pm


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2013-01-04T16:28:23+03:00 2013-01-04T16:28:23+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=1022&p=5023#p5023 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Congress Member Accused of Rape, Stripped & Beaten]]>
The New York Times reports that a crowd captured Bikram Singh Brahma, a member of the Congress Party in Assam, after he allegedly raped a woman while he was staying at the family's house on Wednesday night.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/0 ... 03099.html

Villagers reportedly ran into the house and captured the man after hearing the woman's screams, the Associated Press writes. A local TV station subsequently captured how a group of women started stripping Brahma of his shirt and began to slap him. Men joined the fray and kicked the politician, ultimately restraining Brahma for several hours until police arrived on the scene around noon Thursday.

Although the crowd initially refused to hand Brahma over to the authorities until he made a public confession, police eventually took him into custody, according to the Times of India.

"We are taking this issue very seriously," senior police officer G.P. Singh said, the AP reports.

According to Singh, officials registered a case against Brahma under Indian Penal Code 376 and are currently investigating the circumstances of the situation, such as why Brahma was staying in the family's house at the time of the alleged rape.

Pending the investigation, Brahma has been suspended from the party, Congress spokesman Haren Das told news service IANS.

Tarun Gogoi, the Chief Minister of Assam, condemned the alleged attack saying anyone found guilty of committing the crime "would not be spared, whether he is Congressman or not."

"It is the most condemnable act. Anyone who commits rape or attempts it should be given stringent punishment," Gogoi told Indian news agency PTI.

Following the recent death of the 23-year-old gang-rape victim, sexual abuse and atrocities against women in India have been thrust into the international spotlight. If a newly filed petition with India's Supreme Court passes, Indian politicians with pending criminal charges may be barred from contesting elections on both national and local levels, according to the Wall Street Journal.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/0 ... 03099.html

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2012-12-20T19:16:28+03:00 2012-12-20T19:16:28+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=952&p=4799#p4799 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Re: Muhammad Idrees: Abandoned by India and Pakistan]]> Statistics: Posted by aftab — Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:16 pm


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2012-12-20T16:39:55+03:00 2012-12-20T16:39:55+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=952&p=4795#p4795 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Re: Muhammad Idrees: Abandoned by India and Pakistan]]> Statistics: Posted by resurrected — Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:39 pm


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2012-12-20T19:08:46+03:00 2012-12-20T15:43:39+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=952&p=4794#p4794 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Muhammad Idrees: Abandoned by India and Pakistan]]>
Thirteen years, in the case of Muhammad Idrees.

In 1999, Mr Idrees left his wife and four young sons in Pakistan's port city of Karachi to attend to his sick father in the Indian city of Kanpur. He was born in India, and had moved to Pakistan and become its citizen after he married a cousin in Karachi.

His father died soon after he reached Kanpur. In the chaos and grief that followed this personal loss, Mr Idrees overstayed for three days and his visa ran out.

So did his luck.

When he went to the authorities in Kanpur to seek a visa extension, they suspected him of spying for Pakistan and put him behind the bars. It took 10 years for a court to exonerate him of the charge, fine him 500 rupees ($9.17; £5.68) for overstaying and order his repatriation.

Justice delayed is justice denied, and in the case of Mr Idrees, even justice delivered did not turn out to be liberating.
Unkind fate

For 13 years in all, he has been trying to return home without success.

According to India's Ministry of External Affairs, Mr Idrees travelled to India on a Pakistani passport (number G057703), issued in Karachi, on 10 May 1999. To add to his woes, his passport expired in 2003.
Mohammad Idris Mr Idrees says this is his Indian visa application document

But Pakistan denies he is a citizen, and believes he has separated from his wife and has been disowned by his family.

"Our interior ministry told us that he's not a Pakistani citizen. To our knowledge he's separated from his wife and his in-laws. They disown him. We have communicated this to Indian authorities," Manzoor Ali Memon, spokesperson of Pakistan's High Commission in India, told me.

Today, at 40, Muhammad Idrees is a nowhere man, a victim of unkind fate and hostile borders.

I met him in Kanpur, a fume-choked industrial city in Uttar Pradesh, on a balmy morning recently to listen to his heart-rending story.

Mr Idrees is a frail man with a gaunt face and intense eyes. He's dressed in white shirt and trousers and his only possession, a cloth bag, is slung around his neck. It contains some fraying papers, a comb, a tooth brush, a tube of tooth paste, a towel and some fading family pictures.

We walk to the relative solitude of the banks of the Ganges and sit down. Mr Idrees catches his breath, looks into the distance and begins talking in a clear, low voice.

He says he spends his waking hours clinging onto memories of time spent with his family back home in Karachi, where he ran a small business selling leather goods. It feels like an eternity, he says.

"I would take my wife and our four children on my motorbike for a drive down the windswept seaside in Karachi. We would laugh and chat. We would stop to have ice creams. Just like any other family."

This was before his world turned black.

It was before, he says, two nations and their strange, intractable ways, conspired to deny him from returning home.

"India should have sorted out my case in time and not wasted my precious years. Pakistan should have given me a fresh passport. I wasted 10 years in a court and three years chasing officials. Why are they ruining my life?"
'Give me back my life'

He tells me stories of his life spent as a castaway, denied his citizenship and stripped of his livelihood and dignity.

They are stories of a time when he began making small leather bags after being bailed out of prison to pay for his legal fees. Of a time when his parents died and his relatives, including his brothers, in Kanpur, broke off all contact and denied him a room in his father's home. Of a time when he moved into a shelter home where, he says, he "began to lose it" after having an accident.

"I felt like taking my life. I behaved like a mad man. But I received no treatment. Instead, they kicked me out of the home," he says calmly.

Since then he has wandered the streets alone, begging and living off the charity of kind-hearted citizens. At night, he has has slept in government hospitals, abandoned buildings, empty offices - cold, impersonal public buildings that are the last refuge of a hopeless vagrant.
Idrees family Mr Idrees says he wants to return home to see his children growing up

"It's been a painful journey. If I have lived through such hellish experiences, it's all because I want to return home and meet my children," says Mr Idrees.

"Just give me back my life."

To find out why nobody's listening to him, I spent three days with him trying to meet officials and find out why his countless trips to them had yielded no results.

Eventually, I manage to meet Manoj Aggarwal, the senior-most official of Kanpur city, in his office.

"It's not an easy case. We are in touch with the Pakistani embassy [to issue Mr Idrees a passport]," he tells me.

But how can there be no solution in sight after 13 years?

"We are waiting for a response from Pakistan. But it's Idrees's fault as well. He shouldn't have overstayed," says Mr Aggarwal.

Until he is repatriated, I ask, should the state not be taking care of Mr Idrees, giving him food, shelter and work?
'Life is short'

"He was given shelter," says Mr Aggarwal. "But he keeps running away."

But hasn't Mr Idrees been thrown out of a shelter home, which refuses to take him back?

"He has been helped by charity."

What about ensuring him a permanent shelter at least until he is returned home? I ask.

"Yes," says Mr Agarwal bluntly.

What happens if Pakistan refuses to issue him a fresh passport?

"Let's see."

The conversation ends, and we leave his office. We return to the banks of Ganges.

"I love to come here and spend the day. Nobody bothers you. I have felt suicidal so many times, but when I sit here the water calms me down," he says.

He takes out the family pictures, his wedding card, his nationality papers from his bag.
Muhammad Idrees in Kanpur Mr Idrees is homeless in Kanpur

"See, these are my four children and this is my wife," he says, showing me a picture of what looks like a glowing, contented family. A wide smile runs across his face.

"I know my wife is angry with me. I know she remembers our fights. But then all couples fight, don't they? Once I am back everything will be fine.

"My sons must have grown up so much. I will have to treat them as grown-ups when we meet again," he says.

I keep quiet and manage a faint smile.

I don't have the heart to tell him that we got in touch with Shabana, his wife, in Karachi.

"Idrees does not exist for us any more," she told our reporter.

She did not elaborate.

Mr Idrees has promised to call me and give me the good news when he gets to return home. I am still waiting.

"Life is short," he told me before we parted. "I don't think I have many years left. I just want to spend my time left with my children, my wife.

"It is not asking for too much, is it?"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-20752541

Are we(Pakistani State) so inhumane to leave this person in total limbo for the last 13 years. We can release spies but not help a fellow human being to see his children.

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2012-12-14T02:00:39+03:00 2012-12-14T02:00:39+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=908&p=4690#p4690 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Re: Mother killed son over Koran studies]]>
Any chance of promoting a culture that encourages critical thinking and questioning?

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2012-12-13T19:22:06+03:00 2012-12-13T19:22:06+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=908&p=4685#p4685 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Re: Mother killed son over Koran studies]]> Statistics: Posted by resurrected — Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:22 pm


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2012-12-12T02:23:19+03:00 2012-12-12T02:23:19+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=908&p=4665#p4665 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Re: Mother killed son over Koran studies]]>
Neo Mullahism has a lot to answer for.

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2012-12-06T23:47:13+03:00 2012-12-06T23:47:13+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=908&p=4590#p4590 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Re: Mother killed son over Koran studies]]> Statistics: Posted by resurrected — Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:47 pm


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2012-12-06T17:29:32+03:00 2012-12-06T17:29:32+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=908&p=4585#p4585 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Re: Mother killed son over Koran studies]]> Statistics: Posted by Mirza Ghalib — Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:29 pm


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2012-12-06T17:02:01+03:00 2012-12-06T17:02:01+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=908&p=4583#p4583 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Re: Mother killed son over Koran studies]]> I'm certain that this mindset can find some release if enough attention is paid to the problems. I'm also sure that the lady in question herself wouldn't be able to swear that she understood the simple message of Quran, let alone her demand from barely a child of so young age. I join you in your pray but also demand that we do something to educate these simple but foolish people, who believe that they can serve God by their Evil acts!

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2012-12-06T10:39:44+03:00 2012-12-06T10:39:44+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=908&p=4578#p4578 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Re: Mother killed son over Koran studies]]> Statistics: Posted by Mirza Ghalib — Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:39 am


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2012-12-06T10:28:41+03:00 2012-12-06T10:28:41+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=908&p=4577#p4577 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Mother killed son over Koran studies]]>
Yaseen Ali Ege murder: Mother killed son over Koran studies

A mother who beat her seven-year-old son "like a dog" when he failed to memorise passages of the Koran has been found guilty of his murder.

Sara Ege, 33, beat Yaseen Ege to death at their home in Pontcanna, Cardiff, in July 2010 and set fire to his body.

She was also found guilty of perverting the course of justice at Cardiff Crown Court. Sentence was adjourned.

The boy's father, Yousuf Ege, 38, was acquitted of causing Yaseen's death by failing to protect him.

It was initially thought Yaseen had died in the blaze at the family home but tests later revealed he had died hours earlier.

His mother had pleaded not guilty to his murder and claimed her husband was responsible for Yaseen's death.

She said she feared her husband would kill her and target her family unless she confessed to the murder.

That confession - made to police days after the death of her son - was captured on video and played to the jury during the five week trial.

During the hour-long harrowing footage, university graduate Ege described how the young boy collapsed after she had beaten him while still murmuring extracts of the Koran.

"He was breathing as if he was asleep when I left him," she said.

"He was still murmuring the same thing over and over again. I thought that he was just tired."

When she returned 10 minutes later she found her son shaking and shivering on the floor. He then died.

Within moments she said she decided to burn his body and ran downstairs to get a lighter and a bottle of barbecue gel.

'He never complained'
In police interviews she also confessed to beating her son for no reason and that her anger often led to her being out of control.

She and her taxi driver husband had enrolled Yaseen in advanced classes at their local mosque as they wanted him to become Hafiz - an Islamic term for someone who memorises the Koran.

The court heard Ege become more and more frustrated with her son's inability to learn the passages he needed to.

She told officers: "I was getting all this bad stuff in my head, like I couldn't concentrate, I was getting angry too much, I would shout at Yaseen all the time.

"I was getting very wild and I hit Yaseen with a stick on his back like a dog."

She later retracted her statement.

'Suffered terribly'
The prosecution said that Yaseen suffered significant abdominal injuries that were the cause of his death.

They included fractures which were non-accidental. He also had numerous historical injuries.

"Sara Ege made no attempt to seek the medical attention he so obviously needed," prosecutor Ian Murphy said.

"He clearly suffered terribly. She started the fire to hide what she had done."

However, Ege insisted that both she and Yaseen had been beaten by her husband, adding he had been violent throughout their marriage.

She told the jury that she did not take the boy to the doctor because she feared for her safety and that social services would take her son away.

Her mother Nafees Ahmed also gave evidence to say that Ege was a good mother who looked after her son well.

Ege was found guilty of murder and perverting the course of justice by burning Yaseen's body.

Her husband was cleared of causing or allowing the death of a child by failing to protect him.

The jury returned unanimous verdicts after eight hours of deliberation.

'Deeply tragic'
As the verdict was read out Ege broke down in the dock, holding her head in her hands and crying.

Judge Mr Justice Wyn Williams told her she faces a term of life imprisonment.

He added that he would determine a minimum sentence for her in the New Year after a medical report had been completed.

Her husband showed no emotion as he walked free from court.

Speaking after the verdicts, Deborah Rogers, district crown prosecutor for the Crown Prosecution Service, said the "deeply tragic nature" of the case had been "all too apparent".

"We should not forget that at the heart of the case is the loss of a bright and friendly young boy who had his whole life ahead of him," she added.

"It is therefore right that the circumstances of Yaseen's death were fully examined in a criminal court."

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2012-11-24T22:03:57+03:00 2012-11-24T22:03:57+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=461&p=4399#p4399 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Re: Imagination and Fairy Tales]]> I always liked the fairy tales, even as a grown up.

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2012-10-03T23:12:13+03:00 2012-10-03T23:12:13+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=697&p=3854#p3854 <![CDATA[SOCIAL ISSUES • Re: Love affair between Bilawal, Hina Rabbani Khar emerges]]>
It is far more sickening for me to think that Bilawal is the heir apparent to the throne of Pakistan without having done a proper day’s work in his life and likewise Hina is a potent symbol of inept nepotism and hereditary politics in Pakistan. It gives me sleepless nights to think that Hina is in charge of our Foreign Ministry without having any qualification to do the job. So lets us leave their personal affairs alone, whether this is true or false, and focus on what is really is killing Pakistan and the future of Pakistani children.

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