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ThePakPolitics A leading World Political Forum- ThePakPolitics.com International Politics Forum in PK Politics, Pakistan 2012-11-04T11:46:07+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/feed.php?f=2&t=494 2012-11-04T11:46:07+03:00 2012-11-04T11:46:07+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=494&p=4134#p4134 <![CDATA[Re: Burma Muslim Genocide]]> Statistics: Posted by Mirza Ghalib — Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:46 am


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2012-11-04T11:41:12+03:00 2012-11-04T11:41:12+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=494&p=4133#p4133 <![CDATA[Re: Burma Muslim Genocide]]>
November 04, 2012

YANGON: Aung San Suu Kyi has declined to speak out on behalf of Rohingya Muslims and insisted she will not use "moral leadership" to back either side in deadly communal unrest in west Myanmar, reports said.

The Nobel laureate, who has caused disappointment among international supporters for her muted response to violence that has swept Rakhine state, said both Buddhist and Muslim communities were "displeased" that she had not taken their side.

More than 100,000 people have been displaced since June in two major outbreaks of violence in the state, where renewed clashes last month uprooted about 30,000 people. Dozens have been killed on both sides and thousands of homes torched.

"I am urging tolerance but I do not think one should use one's moral leadership, if you want to call it that, to promote a particular cause without really looking at the sources of the problems," Suu Kyi told the BBC on Saturday.

Speaking in the capital Naypyidaw after talks with European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso, who has said the EU is "deeply concerned" about the violence and its consequences for Myanmar's reforms, Suu Kyi said she could not speak out in favour of the stateless Rohingya. "I know that people want me to take one side or the other, so both sides are displeased because I will not take a stand with them," she said.

The democracy champion, who is now a member of parliament after dramatic changes overseen by a quasi-civilian regime that took power last year, said the rule of law should be established as a first step before looking into other problems. "Because if people are killing one another and setting fire to one another's houses, how are we going to come to any kind of reasonable settlement?" she said.

Myanmar's 800,000 Rohingya are seen by the government and many in the country as illegal immigrants from neighbouring Bangladesh. They face severe discrimination that activists say has led to a deepening alienation. The Rohingya, who make up the vast majority of those displaced in the fighting, are described by the UN as among the world's most persecuted minorities

http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-74063 ... ya:Suu-Kyi

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2012-08-04T13:12:31+03:00 2012-08-04T13:12:31+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=494&p=2795#p2795 <![CDATA[Re: Burma Muslim Genocide]]>
This woman was supported by Burmese Muslims as well as Muslims from the world over when she stood up against the Burmese army. After achieving her goals look at her as she stands exposed; due to her brazen hypocrisy. Its obvious now she holds no feelings for Rohingyas Muslims.

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TAKEBI, Myanmar: This village in northwest Myanmar has the besieged air of a refugee camp. It is clogged with people living in wooden shacks laid out on a grid of trash-strewn lanes. Its children are pot-bellied with malnutrition.
But Takebi's residents are not refugees. They are Rohingya, a stateless Muslim people of South Asian descent now at the heart of Myanmar's worst sectarian violence in years. The United Nations has called them "virtually friendless" in Myanmar, the majority-Buddhist country that most Rohingya call home. Today, as Myanmar opens up, they appear to have more enemies than ever.

Armed with machetes and bamboo spears, rival mobs of Rohingya Muslims and ethnic Rakhine Buddhists this month torched one another's houses and transformed nearby Sittwe, the capital of the western state of Rakhine, into a smoke-filled battleground. A torrent of Rohingyas has tried to flee Rakhine into impoverished Bangladesh, but most are being pushed back, a Bangladeshi Border Guard commander told Reuters on Thursday.

The fighting threatens to derail the democratic transition in Myanmar, a resource-rich nation of 60 million strategically positioned at Asia's crossroads between India and China, Bangladesh and Thailand. With scores feared dead, President Thein Sein announced a state of emergency on June 10 to prevent "vengeance and anarchy" spreading beyond Rakhine and jeopardizing his ambitious reform agenda.

Reuters visited the area just before the unrest broke out. The northern area of Rakhine state is off-limits to foreign reporters.

Until this month, Myanmar's transformation from global pariah to democratic start-up had seemed remarkably rapid and peaceful. Thein Sein released political prisoners, relaxed media controls, and forged peace with ethnic rebel groups along the country's war-torn borders. A new air of hope and bustle in Myanmar's towns and cities is palpable.
But not in Rakhine, also known as Arakan. It is home to about 800,000 mostly stateless Rohingya, who according to the United Nations are subject to many forms of "persecution, discrimination and exploitation." These include forced labor, land confiscations, restrictions on travel and limited access to jobs, education and healthcare.

Now, even as the state eases repression of the general populace and other minorities, long-simmering ethnic tensions here are on the boil - a dynamic that resembles what happened when multi-ethnic Yugoslavia fractured a generation ago after communism fell.

SUU KYI 'TIGHT-LIPPED'
Even the democracy movement in Myanmar is doing little to help the Muslim minority, Rohingya politicians say.
Democracy icon Aung San Suu Kyi last week urged "all people in Burma to get along with each other regardless of their religion and authenticity." But she has remained "tight-lipped" about the Rohingya, said Kyaw Min, a Rohingya leader and one-time Suu Kyi ally who spent more than seven years as a political prisoner. "It is politically risky for her," he said.

NLD spokesman Nyan Win wouldn't comment on Suu Kyi's position, but said: "The Rohingya are not our citizens." Suu Kyi is now on a European tour that will take her to Oslo, Norway, to accept the Nobel Peace Prize she won in 1991.

The violence could disrupt Myanmar's detente with the West, however. U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on June 11 called for "Muslims, Buddhists, and ethnic representatives, including Rohingya . . . to begin a dialogue toward a peaceful resolution."

The United States suspended some sanctions on Myanmar, including those banning investment, in May as a reward for its democratic reforms. But the White House kept the framework of hard-hitting sanctions in place, with President Barack Obama expressing at the time concern about Myanmar's "treatment of minorities and detention of political prisoners."

The European Union, which also suspended its sanctions, said on Monday it was satisfied with Thein Sein's "measured" handling of the violence, which the president has said could threaten the transition to democracy if allowed to spiral out of control.

ILLEGAL MIGRANTS
Rohingya activists claim a centuries-old lineage in Rakhine, which like the rest of Burma is predominantly Buddhist. The government regards them as illegal migrants from neighboring Bangladesh and denies them citizenship. "There is no ethnic group named Rohingya in our country," immigration minister Khin Yi said in May.

Communal tensions had been rising in Myanmar since the gang rape and murder of a Buddhist woman last month that was blamed on Muslims. Six days later, apparently in retribution, a Buddhist mob dragged 10 Muslims from a bus and beat them to death.

Violence then erupted on June 9 in Maungdaw, one of the three Rohingya-majority districts bordering Bangladesh, before spreading to Sittwe, the biggest town in Rakhine. Scores are feared dead, and 1,600 houses burnt down.
One measure of the pressure the Rohingya are under is the growing number of boat people. During the so-called "sailing season" between monsoons, thousands of Rohingya attempt to cross the Bay of Bengal in small, ramshackle fishing boats. Their destination: Muslim-majority Malaysia, where thousands of Rohingya work, mostly illegally.

Last season, up to 8,000 Rohingya boat people - a record number - made the crossing, says Chris Lewa, director of the Arakan Project, a Rohingya advocacy group based in Thailand. She has studied their migration patterns since 2006.

BANNED IN BANGLADESH
The violence in Rakhine could cause a surge in Rohingya boat people when the next sailing season begins in October, Rohingya leaders say. "The amount of boat people will increase and increase," said Abu Tahay, chairman of the National Democratic Party for Development, a Rohingya political party.

In what could be the start of a regional refugee crisis, many Rohingya are already attempting the shorter voyage to neighboring Bangladesh.

Bangladesh, like Myanmar, disowns the Rohingyas and has refused to grant them refugee status since 1992. Now, according to a Bangladeshi commander, hundreds have been turned away.

At Shah Pari, a Bangladeshi island on the Naf River dividing Bangladesh and Myanmar, Lieutenant Colonel Zahid Hassan of the Bangladesh Border Guard said the force has sent back 14 wooden country boats since the violence flared in early June, bearing a total of some 700 men, women and children.

Hassan said the boat people were given food, water and medicines before being turned back. His men are now holding back local Bangladeshi villagers and limiting how far fishermen can go out into the river to prevent them from helping would-be "illegal intruders." Peace has been restored since Myanmar imposed its state of emergency, he said, and his men are telling the boat people it is safe to return.

Asked to explain why majority-Muslim Bangladesh did not feel an obligation to take the Rohingyas in, he said: "This is an over-populated country. The country doesn't have the capacity to accommodate these additional people."

WAITING FOR DEMOCRACY
Government officials say they already harbor about 25,000 Rohingyas with refugee status, who receive food and other aid from the United Nations, housed in two camps in southeastern Bangladesh. Officials say there are also between 200,000 and 300,000 "undocumented" Rohingyas - with no refugee status and no legal rights. These people live outside the camps, dependent on local Bangladeshis in a poverty-plagued district for work and sustenance.

Among them is 48-year-old Kalim Ullah, a Rohingya father of three living in an unofficial camp where children bathe in a chocolate-brown pond. He fled here in 1992, after violence that followed the watershed 1990 vote won by Suu Kyi and overturned by the military. He holds up a hand to show a half-stump where his thumb had been before he says it was shot off by a Myanmar soldier.

"They tortured me and I was evicted from my house so we came to Bangladesh," he said. "Now I am waiting for repatriation, I am waiting for democracy in my own country."

Myanmar's neighbors have quietly pressed the country to improve conditions in Rakhine to stop the outflow of refugees. Perhaps as a result, Thein Sein's government this year began easing some travel restrictions, says Rohingya leader Kyaw Min. But these small gains look likely to be suspended or scrapped after the recent bloodshed.
The Rohingya in Myanmar are usually landless as well as stateless, and scratch a living from low-paid casual labor. Four in five households in northern Rakhine State were in debt, the World Food Program reported in 2011. Many families borrow money just to buy food.

Food insecurity had worsened since 2009, said the program, which called for urgent humanitarian assistance. A 2010 survey by the French group Action Against Hunger found a malnutrition rate of 20 percent, which is far above the emergency threshold set by the World Health Organization.

UNDER THE 'NASAKA'
The Rohingya are overseen by the Border Administration Force, better known as the Nasaka, a word derived from the initials of its Burmese name. Unique to the region, the Nasaka consists of officers from the police, military, customs and immigration. They control every aspect of Rohingya life.

"They have total power," says Abu Tahay, the Rohingya politician.

Documented human-rights abuses blamed on the Nasaka include rape, forced labor and extortion. Rohingya cannot travel or marry without the Nasaka's permission, which is never secured without paying bribes, activists say.
The former military government has in the past called these allegations "fabrications."

"There are hundreds of restrictions and extortions," says Rohingya leader Kyaw Min. "The Nasaka have a free hand because government policy is behind them. And that policy is to starve and impoverish the Rohingya."

Burmese officials say the tight controls on the borders are essential to national security. Speaking in Myanmar's parliament last September, immigration minister Khin Yi made no mention of alleged abuses, but said the Nasaka was vital for preventing "illegal Bengali migration" and cross-border crime.

'ANNIHILATE THEM'
At Takebi's market, an agitated crowd gathered before the violence erupted to tell a reporter of alleged abuses by the authorities and ethnic Rakhine: a Rohingya rickshaw driver robbed and murdered, extortion by state officials, random beatings by soldiers at a nearby army post. The stories couldn't be verified.

Some Burmese officials have betrayed bias against the Rohingya in public statements. Rohingya people are "dark brown" and "as ugly as ogres," said Ye Myint Aung, Myanmar's consul in Hong Kong, in a 2009 statement. He went on to extol the "fair and soft" complexions of Myanmar people like himself.

Last week, the state-run New Light of Myanmar published a correction after referring to Muslims as "kalar," a racial slur.

The sectarian hatred in Rakhine towns and villages is echoed online. "It would be so good if we can use this as an excuse to drive those Rohingyas from Myanmar," one reader of Myanmar's Weekly Eleven newspaper comments on the paper's website.
"Annihilate them," writes another.

A nationalist group has set up a Facebook page called the "Kalar Beheading Gang," which has almost 600 "likes."
Meanwhile, the Kaladan Press, a news agency set up by Rohingya exiles in the Bangladesh city of Chittagong, blamed the violence on "Rakhine racists and security personnel."

BOUND FOR MALAYSIA
Not far from Sittwe is Gollyadeil, a fishing village with a jetty of packed mud and a mosque that locals say dates back to the 1930s. The stateless Rohingya villagers here face fewer restrictions than their brethren in the sensitive border area to the north. They can marry without seeking official permission and travel freely around Sittwe district.
Even so, jobs are scarce and access to education limited, and every year up to 40 villagers head out to sea on Malaysia-bound boats. They each pay about 200,000 kyat, or $250, a small fortune by local standards. But the extended Rohingya families who raise the sum regard it as an investment.

"If they make it to Malaysia, they can send home a lot of money," says fishmonger Abdul Gafar, 35.
Many Rohingya in Myanmar depend upon remittances from Malaysia and Thailand. A Takebi elder with a white beard tinged red from betel-nut juice said he gets 100,000 kyat ($125) every four months from his son, a construction worker in Malaysia.

Remittances have lent a deceptive veneer of prosperity to Takebi, where a few houses have tin roofs or satellite dishes.

Ask shopkeeper Mohammad Ayub, 19, how many villagers want to leave Gollyadeil, and he replies, "All of us."
For every Rohingya who makes it to Malaysia, hundreds are blocked, or worse.
Many are arrested before even leaving Myanmar waters. Others are intercepted by the Thai authorities, who last year were still towing Rohingya boats back out to sea, Human Rights Watch reported, "despite allegations that such practices led to hundreds of deaths in 2008 and 2009."

"When someone tries to enter the country illegally, it's our job to send them back," says Major General Manas Kongpan, a regional director of Thailand's Internal Security Operations Command, which handles the boat people. "Thailand doesn't have the capacity to take them in, so people shouldn't criticize so much."

Sayadul Amin, 16, set sail in March 2012 in a fishing boat crammed with 63 people, a third of them boys and girls. The weather turned bad, and Sayudul's boat was pounded by waves.

"I felt dizzy and wanted to throw up," he said.
By day five, they ran out of water and his friend, also a teenager, died. They prayed over his body, he said, then tossed it overboard.

THE UNCOUNTED
The boat eventually ran aground somewhere on Myanmar's Andaman coast, where local villagers summoned the authorities to arrest the boat people.

The adults were jailed in the southern Myanmar town of Dawei, while immigration officials escorted Sayadul and the other minors back to Sittwe by bus. The journey took several days and he saw more of Myanmar than most Rohingya ever do. "There were satellite dishes on all the houses," he said with wonder.

On her historic visit to Myanmar last year, Hillary Clinton praised the country's leaders for trying to resolve decades-old wars between government troops and ethnic rebel armies. But the Rohingya stir far greater nationalist passions that could prove even more destabilizing and intractable than conflicts in Kachin State and other ethnic border regions.

Rohingya leaders have long called for the scrapping of the 1982 Citizenship Law, which was enacted by the former dictatorship and rendered stateless even Rohingya who had lived in Myanmar for generations.
"We are demanding full and equal citizenship," says Kyaw Min, the Rohingya leader.

Judging by the inflammatory rhetoric pervading Myanmar, that demand is unlikely to be met before next year's potentially controversial census.

The last one, in 1983, left the Rohingya uncounted.(Reuters)

http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-54516 ... mar-Spring

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2012-07-30T12:19:41+03:00 2012-07-30T12:19:41+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=494&p=2742#p2742 <![CDATA[Re: Burma Muslim Genocide]]> By: AntiZio on: 30.07.2012

Video here

Muslims have lived in Burma for hundreds of years, although many arrived only after Burma's annexation by Great Britain in the 19th Century. Racial and religious tensions have run high between Muslims and Burmans since independence in 1948. Successive Burmese regimes have encouraged or instigated violence against Muslims as a way of diverting the public's attention away from economic or political concerns. The most recent outbreak of violence occurred in cities across Burma.

The report also examines Karen relations with the Muslim population in Karen State, particularly the persecution of Muslims by the Democratic Karen Buddhist Army (DKBA), a Karen group allied with the SPDC. The DKBA has been involved in the destruction of mosques and the forced relocation of Muslim villagers. DKBA soldiers have tried to force Muslims to worship Buddhist monks and put up Buddhist altars. Restrictions have also been placed on Muslims to force them to become vegetarian. Both the DKBA and the SPDC force Muslims in Karen State to perform forced labour for them on a regular basis.

This report is based on interviews with Muslim refugees from Karen State and Muslim travellers and traders from central Burma and the Western border conducted by KHRG researchers between October 2001 and February 2002.

All of the interviews quoted in the text are with Burmese Muslims with the exception of Interview #6 with "Moe Zaw Shwe", who is a Karen Christian. There are a higher number of examples in the text from Karen State because more of the interviews were conducted with Muslims from Karen State. Some supporting information and assistance with interviews was provided by the Muslim Information Centre of Burma (MICB).

This report consists of several parts: this preface, an introduction, a detailed description of the situation including quotes from interviews, and an index of interviews. The full text of the interviews compiled for this report is available as a separately published annex and is available from KHRG upon approved request
"Far from being the terrorists of the world, the Islamic peoples have been its victims." — John Pilger

Almost every city or town in Burma has a Muslim community. There are also Muslim and mixed Muslim villages throughout Burma. Rakhine State (also known as Arakan State) in western Burma has the highest concentration of Muslim inhabitants. The families of some of the Muslim inhabitants of Rakhine State have lived there for hundreds of years, while others arrived after the annexation of this part of Burma by the British in 1824.

Most of the Muslim families in the rest of Burma arrived during British colonial rule. Most of the Muslims in Burma descend at least partly from South Asians, though through the generations there has been a great deal of intermarriage so that many of today's Muslims have ancestors of various ethnicity. Despite this, in Burma non-Muslims tend to use the term 'Muslim' to indicate not only a religion but also an ethnicity, or else they refer to all Muslims as 'Indians' Ka La>'Ka La', which of course they are not.
Muslims usually refer to themselves as 'Muslims' when asked about their ethnicity. The vast majority of Muslims in Burma today were born there, and their ancestors have lived in Burma for generations.

Racial and religious tensions surrounding the Muslims have existed for a long time, but have become worse since Burmese independence in 1948. Much of the abuse against Muslims is similar to that encountered by other ethnic groups.

Muslims also have to go for forced labour and pay extortion fees, they are subject to arbitrary arrest and torture, and are even sometimes executed. Where the discrimination against Muslims differs is in the areas of citizenship and religious freedom.

Most Muslims are not considered as citizens under Burma's strict citizenship law. Based on this they are unable to obtain national identity cards. As a result they find it difficult to travel, get an education, carry on social relations and conduct business.

Racial discrimination and the lack of an identity card make it difficult for Muslims to get employment with private companies. Muslims who are able to get identity cards are barred from holding high office in both the civil service and the military. The majority of them (particularly outside Rakhine State) do not own land, but work as traders or day labourers.

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Jul 23 2012

Hundreds of people staged demonstration outside Jama Masjid in Ludhiana in Punjab state against the killings of Muslims in Myanmar.

(Ahlul Bayt News Agency) - Shahi Imam of Punjab, Maulana Habibur Rahman Sani Ludhianvi led the protest demonstration and demanded the Government of India to take up the issue with Myanmar government and ask it to stop the killings.

The demonstration was organized by Majlis Ahrar Islam, an organization headed by the Shahi Imam of Punjab. Protesters raised slogans against the killings and the silence of Indian Government and Muslim leaders, TCN reported. They also burnt the national flag of Myanmar.

The Shahi Imam urged Central Government to apprise Myanmar government of the sentiments of Indian Muslims.

Talking to media persons, national president of Majlis Ahrar Islam and Shahi Imam of Punjab, Maulana Habibur Rahman Sani Ludhianvi said the killings of Muslims by Buddhist extremists cannot be tolerated. He expressed surprise that international media is constantly hiding the news about the killings of thousands of people killed so far and a number of mosques burnt so far.

While supporting the protest letter from the Muslim world to Myanmar over the killings, the Shahi Imam demanded the Muslim world to cut ties with Myanmar. He also demanded Muslims and Muslim leaders in India to hold protest demonstrations against Myanmar.

The Shahi Imam said that it is shameful that Myanmar's democracy leader, Aung San Suu Kyi, has not uttered a word against the killings.

Condemning the government of India, he said that not only it did not utter a word on the killings, but also did not give political asylum to 200 Muslims who had escaped the killings and ran away from Myanmar.

The Shahi Imam also urged the Buddhist leader Dalai Lama to raise voice against the massacres of Muslims in Myanmar.

Eminent persons present at the protest demonstration included Naib Shahi Imam Maulana Usman Rahmani, Maulana Ateequer Rahman, Mufti Jamaluddin, Mohd Shahnawaz Ahrari and special secretary of Shahi Imam, Mohd Mustaqeem Ahrari.

http://abna.ir/data.asp?lang=3&id=330982

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2012-07-30T00:44:37+03:00 2012-07-30T00:44:37+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=494&p=2729#p2729 <![CDATA[Re: Burma Muslim Genocide]]>
A warm welcome to the forum.

How long must a person live another country to win the right to be a citizen? There is a huge number of Afghans that were born in Pakistan and have lived here all their lives, so should they not be given Pakistani citizenship if they so wish? I would say yes.

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2012-07-28T23:12:16+03:00 2012-07-28T23:12:16+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=494&p=2714#p2714 <![CDATA[Re: Burma Muslim Genocide]]> Statistics: Posted by aftab — Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:12 pm


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And look at Suchi! Not a single word from this recent neocon recruit who stands exposed as for now.

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2012-07-28T21:30:50+03:00 2012-07-28T21:30:50+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=494&p=2709#p2709 <![CDATA[Re: Burma Muslim Genocide]]> Statistics: Posted by Mirza Ghalib — Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:30 pm


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2012-07-28T04:26:49+03:00 2012-07-28T04:26:49+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=494&p=2700#p2700 <![CDATA[Re: Burma Muslim Genocide]]> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... bR4gb0kRU#!

@MG

I don't know why we want to lose the goodwill of all these people. Afghanistan is in no state to take so much people back. It's so much of an upheaval for people who have lived here for decades now! The problem with our rulers is that they won't put in a hard shift at the office and try to find a solution but try to look for an easy route out, not thinking about the long term consequences of their decisions.

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2012-07-28T03:58:03+03:00 2012-07-28T03:58:03+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=494&p=2699#p2699 <![CDATA[Re: Burma Muslim Genocide]]> http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/12867 ... cleansing/

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2012-07-26T10:50:08+03:00 2012-07-26T10:50:08+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=494&p=2680#p2680 <![CDATA[Re: Burma Muslim Genocide]]> Statistics: Posted by Mirza Ghalib — Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:50 am


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2012-07-26T10:45:04+03:00 2012-07-26T10:45:04+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=494&p=2679#p2679 <![CDATA[Re: Burma Muslim Genocide]]>
Islamabad: The Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) has threatened to attack Myanmar to avenge crimes against the Muslim Rohingya, unless Pakistan halts all relations with the government and shuts its embassy in Islamabad.

In a rare statement focused on the plight of Muslims abroad, the umbrella TTP group sought to present itself as a defender of Muslim men and women in Myanmar, saying “we will take revenge of your blood”.

Spokesman Ehsanullah Ehsan demanded that the Pakistani government halt all relations with Myanmar and close down its embassy in Islamabad.

“Otherwise we will not only attack Burmese interests anywhere but will also attack the Pakistani fellows of Burma one by one,” he said in a statement.

The Myanmar embassy in Islamabad was not immediately reachable for comment.

The TTP frequently claims attacks on security forces in Pakistan but its ability to wage violence in countries further afield has been questioned.

But US officials say there is evidence the group was behind a failed 2010 attempt to bomb Times Square in New York, for which Pakistani-American Faisal Shahzad was jailed for life.

TTP leader Hakimullah Mehsud has also been charged in the United States over the killings of seven CIA agents who died when a Jordanian al Qaeda double agent blew himself up at a US base in Afghanistan in December 2009.

Recent clashes in western Myanmar between Buddhist ethnic Rakhine and Muslim Rohingya have left dozens dead and tens of thousands homeless.

Last week, Amnesty International said hundreds of people, mostly men and boys, have been detained in sweeps of areas heavily populated by the Rohingya, with almost all held incommunicado and some ill-treated.

Most arrests appear to have been “arbitrary and discriminatory” and Amnesty said there were “credible reports” of abuses – including rape, destruction of property and unlawful killings – by both Rakhine Buddhists and the security forces.

Decades of discrimination have left the Rohingya stateless, and they are viewed by the United Nations as one of the world’s most persecuted minorities. (AFP)

http://www.saach.tv/2012/07/26/ttp-thre ... -rohingya/

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2012-07-24T13:50:12+03:00 2012-07-24T13:50:12+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=494&p=2665#p2665 <![CDATA[Re: Burma Muslim Genocide]]>
After 30 years, Pakistan rolls up welcome mat for Afghan refugees

ISLAMABAD — Pakistan plans to cancel refugee status at the end of this year for the 3 million Afghans who are living in the country, officials have told McClatchy, leaving the refugees facing possible forced resettlement in their homeland, a war-torn country that many of them barely know.
Pushing the refugees into Afghanistan probably would create a new crisis for that country, which already is struggling with an insurgency, an economy almost entirely dependent on the U.S-led foreign presence and the illicit drug trade, and the impending withdrawal of foreign combat troops by 2014.
Officials in Pakistan, which has hosted Afghan refugees for more than 30 years – one of the longest-running refugee problems in the world – say that “enough is enough” and are resisting entreaties by the United Nations and others to reconsider the decision. It comes as Islamabad’s relations with Western countries, particularly the United States, have soured over its policies in neighboring Afghanistan and the unannounced U.S. raid on Pakistani soil that killed Osama bin Laden last year.

Pakistan’s top administrator in charge of the Afghan refugee issue, Habibullah Khan, the secretary of the Ministry of States and Frontier Regions, said Islamabad wouldn’t change its decision. “The international community desires us to review this policy, but we are clear on this point. The refugees have become a threat to law and order, security, demography, economy and local culture,” Khan said in an interview. “Enough is enough.”

One such refugee is Rangeen, 28, who goes by only one name, as is common in Afghanistan. He’s lived in Pakistan since he was 12 and is a registered refugee. Three times he’s tried to move back to his native Kabul, the Afghan capital, but he’s found it too costly to live there.
“I couldn’t find work in Kabul, and it is very expensive there, so each time I was forced to come back” to Pakistan, Rangeen said. “I’m just a laborer. It is not possible to survive in Kabul on what you make as a laborer there.” Rangeen earns around 200 rupees a day, about $2, by working as a porter at a wholesale vegetable market just outside Islamabad, the Pakistani capital, pushing cartloads of produce around for buyers. His determination not to go to Afghanistan is all the more striking given the difficulties of life in his adopted home. None of his four children go to school, nor do any of the other children in Sorang Abadi, the makeshift village where he lives, a 15-minute drive south of the capital. Looking at his 7-year-old son, Noor Agha, Rangeen said: “He will suffer the same fate as me. All he’ll be able to do is push a cart.”

Villagers in Sorang Abadi pay about $15 a month in rent for just enough land to construct one ramshackle room, from baked mud, and keep a small yard. There’s no electricity or running water; they fetch water from a timber yard about 15 minutes’ walk away. They haven’t been able to find space at a semiofficial refugee camp that’s about four miles away.

Mukhtiar, a 40-year-old from Baghlan province in the north of Afghanistan, which is considered relatively safe, said he’d been in Pakistan for 30 years.
“We won’t go to Afghanistan. There is nothing but war,” he said. “After the Russians got out, the Americans came. Whatever we had back there has been taken over by others. There is no work, no property, nothing there except feuds. “It would be like throwing us into the sea.”

Afghan refugees started arriving in Pakistan in the 1980s, fleeing the Soviet invasion, and have continued to come here to escape the horrors of a civil war, Taliban rule and, most recently, the conflict triggered by the U.S.-led invasion in 2001. Whole generations have grown up in Pakistan and don’t know their homeland. There are 1.7 million Afghan refugees registered in Pakistan – more than half of them younger than 18 – of which 630,000 live in camps. A further 1 million are estimated to be living in the country unregistered and therefore illegally.

The international community and the Afghan government in Kabul have no strategy prepared to deal with any such influx of people. The anxiety over taking back the refugees seems to belie the claims of progress in Afghanistan that the U.S.-led international coalition makes regularly. “If the international community is so concerned, they should open the doors of their countries to these refugees,” Khan said. “Afghans will be more than happy to be absorbed by the developed countries, like Western Europe, the U.S., Canada, Australia.” Khan said that after Dec. 31, the Pakistani government didn’t plan to renew Afghan refugees’ registration cards, so those currently registered will lose their refugee status. He declined to spell out what would happen to the refugees after that, but if the policy sticks they’d be in the country illegally and liable to be deported.

Some Afghans have prospered in Pakistan – as seen by their near takeover of Hayatabad, an upscale suburb lined with villas outside Peshawar, a northwestern city close to the Afghan border – but the majority of them struggle. And as their numbers have grown, Pakistani officials suspect that the leadership of the Taliban and other Afghan insurgent groups is hiding among the refugees. The western Pakistani city of Quetta is home to the Quetta Shura, the Taliban’s leadership council, and it contains a sprawling Afghan refugee settlement that provides easy cover for militants.

A U.N. voluntary repatriation program is making slow progress. So far this year it’s been able to entice only 41,000 people to return to Afghanistan, a slight increase over the 35,000 who returned in the first half of last year. Since 2002, the U.N. has repatriated 3.7 million Afghans to the country, but the rate stalled in recent years as the war intensified. It’s also likely that many of the returnees have slipped back into Pakistan, given that there are almost as many Afghan refugees in Pakistan today as there were in 2002. Earlier this year, Valerie Amos, the U.N. humanitarian affairs chief, visited a camp in Kabul and said its conditions for returning refugees appalled her. Once they reach Afghanistan, returnees are entitled to a one-time payment of $150 per person from the U.N.
Neill Wright, the Pakistan representative of the Office of the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees, said the U.N. would still recognize the registered Afghans in Pakistan as refugees after this year under international law “until a durable solution can be found.” “We hope that the government of Pakistan will continue to recognize them as refugees,” Wright said. “Returning them to Afghanistan could destabilize the country further at a time when it is already experiencing instability from the drawdown of international forces.”

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/07/23/1 ... rylink=cpy

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2012-07-21T14:41:32+03:00 2012-07-21T14:41:32+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=494&p=2644#p2644 <![CDATA[Re: Burma Muslim Genocide]]>
P.S. Pakistan abstained because of China/Russia and probably wanted to provide them with some diplomatic support but not go completely against the Yanks and the Saudis by voting in favour of Syria. Playing both sides!

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2012-07-20T17:18:31+03:00 2012-07-20T17:18:31+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=494&p=2630#p2630 <![CDATA[Re: Burma Muslim Genocide]]>
If Indonesia, on a governmental level, or privately gives support to the Rohingyas, so much the better. I think Pakistan should be doing the same. Not because they can fall upon the untouched wealth of the Burmese and use it all up to save themselves from utter economic collapse. But because it is the duty of this country to help out any Muslims in danger of losing their lives.

Also, I wish to point out that it is all too easy, like in Pakistan, to blame everything on the army. During the army years the country was better governed than it is now under a so-called democratic rule. We know what we're talking about having just gone through over four years of our own "democratic" government. And, as I warned above, Burma today, Thailand tomorrow and the Philippines, the day after. What Burma and Thailand are doing has nothing whatsoever with Buddhism, which is the most peaceable of religions. Neither would majority Catholic Philippines kill its Muslims because of something required of them religiously. The orders to KILL THE MUSLIMS all derive from one source alone the name of which I needn't pronounce. So we must count the events in Burma as the latest chapter in the Muslim Wars now into its eleventh year.

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2012-07-20T16:38:23+03:00 2012-07-20T16:38:23+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=494&p=2629#p2629 <![CDATA[Re: Burma Muslim Genocide]]> The Jakarta Post, Jakarta | National | Sun, February 01 2009, 9:28 PM
Muhammadiyah is urging Jakarta to take a “wise” approach when dealing with Muslim refugees from Myanmar, saying Indonesia’s second largest Islamic organization is ready to help them if the government fails to do so.
“Indonesia should deal with them properly. I hope the Rohingya refugees will be looked after until there is an appropriate solution based on humanitarian principles,” Muhammadiyah chairman Din Syamsuddin said Sunday.
“If Indonesia will not help, Muhammadiyah is ready to cooperate and assist the refugees with what they need,” he said in a text message from New York while attending a World Summit on Peace.
Din also asked the Indonesian government to bring this issue to the ASEAN summit in Thailand later this month.
“This is the right time for the issue to be raised at a regional forum. We have so far been too lenient toward the military junta in Myanmar.”
Around 175 Rohingyas and 19 Bangladeshis were found in a boat off northern Sumatra on Jan. 7. They are now being kept at a naval base in Sabang, Aceh province.
They are believed to be the only remaining survivors from around 1,000 refugees, largely Rohingyas, who were allegedly abandoned at sea by the Thai military. Thailand denies the allegations. –JP

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009 ... ngyas.html

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2012-07-20T16:31:12+03:00 2012-07-20T16:31:12+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=494&p=2628#p2628 <![CDATA[Re: Burma Muslim Genocide]]>
Arakan Rohingya National Organisation (ARNO) is one of the representative organisations of the Rohingya people of Arakan, Burma, based in London, the United Kingdom. It is a broad based Organisation of the Rohingya People that emerged in 1998. It is one of the Founding member of Arakan Rohingya Union which was formed with the initiative of Euro-Burma
Office and Organisation of Islamic Co-operation (OIC)

THE AIMS AND OBJECTIVE, POLICES AND PROGRAMMES (ABRIDGED) OF THE ARNO ARE:

The right of ‘self-determination’ of the Rohingya people within the Burmese federation; preservation of their (Rohingya’s) history and cultural heritage without prejudice to the growth and preservation of other religious and indigenous culture in Arakan; condemnation of religious persecution by the military; repatriation of Rohingya refugees from their places of refuge; human resource development particularly in socio-cultural, economic, educational and technical fields; establishment of a welfare society based on equality, liberty, democracy, human rights and freedom for all peoples; “peaceful co-existence” with Rakhine community (Buddhist of Arakan) and among all other peoples in Arakan as well as in the whole of the country; joint struggle with the Burmese opposition and democratic forces; support to landmine ban treaty; support of the rights of Rohingya women and girls to education, health and economic empowerment; educating the youths of the dangers of drugs (including AIDS infection); protection of environment, including forests, rivers, wetland, Coastline Ocean and to save their land from unsustainable logging, killing of endangered species, all forms of pollution, and over fishing and to preserve a green haven for their children and the world; support for future sustainable, appropriate, clean, and beneficial development to the common people.”

ARNO is working together with all parties and important civil society organisations of the Rohingya people at home and aboard and also with Burmese Organisations. It is working with British Foreign and Common Wealth Office and Parliamentary Committee on Burma and European Parliament. It maintains a close relation with Amnesty International, Asia Watch, Burma Campaign U.K and many other human rights and humanitarian organisations in Europe, USA and Asia. It is closely working together with Burma Democracy movement, ethnic nationalities forums and support groups. In addition ARNO is actively working together with Euro-Burma Office in Brussels (Belgium) and National Reconciliation Programme (NRP) of the Union of Burma. ARNO carries out various socio-cultural, economic and education uplift programmes and human resource development among the Rohingya people.

Full article at: http://www.rohingya.org/portal/index.ph ... e-are.html

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2012-07-20T13:15:30+03:00 2012-07-20T13:15:30+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=494&p=2627#p2627 <![CDATA[Re: Burma Muslim Genocide]]>
Today Burma, tomorrow Thailand and the day after the Philippines. Or then we take a stand today. And that stand must be no less anti-West as anti the governments of the three countries I have just mentioned. The future of justice in the world will live or die by what happens next in Syria (I'm glad to say at least Pakistan found the courage to abstain from the third Chapter Seven resolution against that poor harried country), Iran, Burma, etc.

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2012-07-20T03:31:48+03:00 2012-07-20T03:31:48+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=494&p=2625#p2625 <![CDATA[Re: Burma Muslim Genocide]]> Statistics: Posted by aftab — Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:31 am


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2012-07-19T23:41:15+03:00 2012-07-19T23:41:15+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=494&p=2621#p2621 <![CDATA[Re: Burma Muslim Genocide]]> By Ramzy Baroud - July 17, 2012

The widespread killings of Rohingya Muslims in Burma – or Myanmar – have received only passing and dispassionate coverage in most media. What they actually warrant is widespread outrage and decisive efforts to bring further human rights abuses to an immediate halt.

“Burmese helicopter set fire to three boats carrying nearly 50 Muslim Rohingyas fleeing sectarian violence in western Burma in an attack that is believed to have killed everyone on board,” reported Radio Free Europe on July 12.

Why would anyone take such fatal risks? Refugees are attempting to escape imminent death, torture or arrest at the hands of the Ethnic Buddhist Rakhine majority, which has the full support of the Burmese government.

The relatively little media interest in Burma’s ‘ethnic clashes’ is by no means an indication of the significance of the story. The recent flaring of violence followed the raping and killing of a Rhakine woman on May 28, allegedly by three Rohingya men.

The incident ushered a rare movement of unity between many sectors of Burmese society, including the government, security forces and so-called pro-democracy activists and groups. The first order of business was the beating to death of ten innocent Muslims. The victims, who were dragged out of a bus and attacked by a mob of 300 strong Buddhist Rhakine, were not even Rohingyas, according to the Bangkok Post (June 22). Not all Muslims in Burma are from the Rohingya ethnic group. Some are descendants of Indian immigrants, some have Chinese ancestry, and some even have early Arab and Persian origins. Burma is a country with a population of an estimated 60 million, only 4 percent of whom are Muslim.

Regardless of numbers, the abuses are widespread and rioters are facing little or no repercussions for their actions. “The Rohingyas…face some of the worst discrimination in the world,” reported Reuters on July 4, citing rights groups. UK-based Equal Rights Trust indicated that the recent violence is not merely due to ethnic clashes, but actually involves active government participation. “From June 16 onwards, the military became more actively involved in committing acts of violence and other human rights abuses against the Rohingya including killings and mass-scale arrests of Rohingya men and boys in North Rakhine State.”

The ‘pro-democracy’ Burmese groups and individuals celebrated by Western governments for objecting to the country’s military junta are also taking part in the war against minorities. Writing in the Sydney Morning Herald on July 8, Hanna Hindstrom reported that one pro-democracy group stated on Twitter that “[t]he so-called Rohingya are liars,” while another social media user said, “We must kill all the kalar.” Kalar is a racist slur applied to dark-skinned people from the Indian subcontinent

Politically, Burma has a poor reputation. A protracted civil war has ravaged the country shortly after its independence from Britain in 1948. The colonial era was exceptionally destructive as the country was used as a battleground for great powers.

Many Burmese were slaughtered in a situation that was not of their making. As foreign powers divided the country according to their own purposes, an ensuing civil war was almost predictable. It supposedly ended when a military junta took over from 1962 to 2011, but many of the underlying problems remained unresolved.

Per western media coverage, Burma is defined by a few ‘iconic’ individuals’ quest for democracy, notwithstanding opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi. Since an election last year brought a civilian government to power, we have been led to believe that a happy ending is now in the making. “Burma opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi made her historic parliamentary debut on Monday (July 9), marking a new phase in her near quarter century struggle to bring democracy to her army-dominated homeland,” reported the British Telegraph.

But aside from mere ‘concerns’ over the ethnic violence, Aung San Suu Kyi is staying on the fence – as if the slaughter of the country’s ‘dark-skinned Indians’ is not as urgent as having a parliamentary representation for her party, the National League for Democracy in Burma. Secretary General of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu called on ‘The Lady’ to do something, anything. “As a Nobel Peace Laureate, we are confident that the first step of your journey towards ensuring peace in the world would start from your own doorstep and that you would play a positive role in bringing an end to the violence that has afflicted Arakan State,” he wrote. However, “Aung San Suu Kyi’s National League for Democracy continues to carefully sidestep the hot-button issue,” according to Foreign Policy.

The violent targeting of Burmese minorities arrived at an interesting time for the US and Britain. Their pro-democracy campaign was largely called off when the junta agreed to provide semi-democratic reforms. Eager to offset the near exclusive Chinese influence over the Burmese economy, Western companies jumped into Burma as if one of the most oppressive regimes in the world was suddenly resurrected into an oasis for democracy.

“The gold rush for Burma has begun,” wrote Alex Spillius in the British Guardian. It was ushered in by US President Barak Obama’s recent lifting of the ban on American investment in the country. Britain immediately followed suit, as a UK trade office was hurriedly opened in Rangoon on July 11. “Its aim is to forge links with one of the last unexploited markets in Asia, a country blessed by ample resources of hydro-carbons, minerals, gems and timber, not to mention a cheap labour force, which thanks to years of isolation and sanctions is near virgin territory for foreign investors.” Since US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton made her ‘historic’ visit to Burma in December 2011, a recurring media theme has been ‘Burma riches’ and the ‘race for Burma’. Little else is being discussed, and certainly not minority rights.

Recently, Clinton held a meeting with Burma’s President Thein Sein, who is now being branded as another success story for US diplomacy. On the agenda are US concerns regarding the “lack of transparency in Burma’s investment environment and the military’s role in the economy” (CNN, July 12). Thein Sein, however, is guilty of much greater sins, for he is providing a dangerous political discourse that could possibly lead to more killings, or even genocide. The ‘reformist’ president told the UN that “refugee camps or deportation is the solution for nearly a million Rohingya Muslims,” according to ABC Australia. He offered to send the Rohingyas away “if any third country would accept them.”

The Rohingyas are currently undergoing one of the most violent episodes of their history, and their suffering is one of the most pressing issues anywhere in the world.

Yet their plight is suspiciously absent from regional and international priorities, or is undercut by giddiness over the country’s “ample resources of hydro-carbons, minerals, gems and timber.”

Meanwhile, the stateless and defenseless Rohingyas continue to suffer and die. Those lucky to make it to Bangladesh are being turned back. Aside from few courageous journalists – indifferent to the country’s promise for ‘democracy’ and other fables – most are simply looking the other way. This tragic attitude must immediately change if human rights matter in the least.

http://www.internationalpolicydigest.or ... an-rights/

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2012-07-19T14:43:11+03:00 2012-07-19T14:43:11+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=494&p=2618#p2618 <![CDATA[Re: Burma Muslim Genocide]]>
I remember an article/words of wisdom being posted somewhere on this forum, by our dear brother S.E. MIrza, that human rights is only a weapon too beat the opponents of the West with through they controlled media houses. Any descent or going off script and you get shut down like Press TV was in the UK. In reality we all know that the Western Countries do not care about human rights of countries which are perceived as their adversaries or even in some cases of their allies like Pakistan. Of course why should there be worried about human rights because the more resentment within a country the more chance that CIA like people are given an opportunity to use these people against their own countries.

It's no rocket science, the more you keep countries destabilised, the more chance of getting concessions from them.

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2012-07-18T21:08:34+03:00 2012-07-18T21:08:34+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=494&p=2615#p2615 <![CDATA[Re: Burma Muslim Genocide]]>
And now back to the political implications of all this. The West has got its claws into two countries showing surprising similarites, Burma and Thailand. Both have a Muslim population which is being seriously persecuted from what one hears. Both countries have two glamourous women leading the West camp in their respective countries, Aung San Suu Kyi in Burma and Yingluck Shinawatra, the young and pretty sister of Wall Street agent Thaksin Shinawatra, in Thailand. And apart from all the other implications of being west agents, the purpose of all this is to drive a wedge between China and these two natural allies of the Chinese.

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2012-07-17T01:17:56+03:00 2012-07-17T01:17:56+03:00 https://thepakpolitics.com/viewtopic.php?t=494&p=2602#p2602 <![CDATA[Burma Muslim Genocide]]> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 6YDANbPKc#!

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